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Krylions not in stock, what tire next ?

Old 10-21-08, 06:49 AM
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Krylions not in stock, what tire next ?

I've always used Michelin Krylion Carbon but none of my online/LBSs have them in stock. So what tires to try next? Dont say PR2/3 coz I need more puncture resistance, and dont say Gatorskin coz I dont need that much resistance.

I need a 700x23 tire tire for all-season training.

Search didn't quite bring up the answer I was looking for (they talk of PR2/3 (less p/resistance) or other extreme of Gatorskin/Armadillo)

EDIT:
In the end, I went for Conti Ultra Gatorskin to fit my Aksium wheelset using Specialized tubes (I've been using those since day one and saw no need to change).

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Conti GP 4 seasons are usually well regarded. Also, I recently bought a pair of Vittoria Rubino Pro Tech, they are ok and very cheap but have less grip than the Krylions. I'll come back to the Michelin when they are back in stock.
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For what it's worth, ColoradoCyclist appears to have the Krylions in stock.
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Vittoria Pave', the best tire on the planet.
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Originally Posted by mustang1 View Post
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I need a 700x23 tire tire for all-season training.

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Forget your biases. The Folding Gatorskin fits your stated needs pretty well, in my opinion. What's your objection any way? It can't be that you want an occasional flat.
  • Too heavy? It's 220g compared to the Krylion's 235g.
  • They are both somewhat "high mileage tires". YMMV.
  • Neither are impervious to flats, but both have adequate protection. YMMV.
  • Gatorskins have a reasonably supple ride, in my judgment.

Biketiresdirect.com has the Krylions for $39.95USD (apparently in stock)
PBK has the Folding Ultragatorskin for ~$22.50USD (apparently not in stock)

For your purposes, these two tires seem pretty interchangable to me.
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ultra gatorskin huh? maybe I'll look into that some more. I didn't know those tires were so similar. I'm surprise no one mentioned Schwalbe so far.
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Old 10-21-08, 04:51 PM
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i am very happy with my gp 4 seasons. much more durable than the regular gp4000
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I've always used Michelin Krylion Carbon but none of my online/LBSs have them in stock. So what tires to try next? Dont say PR2/3 coz I need more puncture resistance, and dont say Gatorskin coz I dont need that much resistance.

I need a 700x23 tire tire for all-season training.

Search didn't quite bring up the answer I was looking for (they talk of PR2/3 (less p/resistance) or other extreme of Gatorskin/Armadillo)
I just posted reply to the similar question, these guys should have them on stock

http://www.labicicletta.com/

they are $39 a piece, don't know about shipping etc.
 
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I am a HUGE fan of the Krylion Carbons. I may switch to the Schwalbe Ultremos now.
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What are the qualities of Krylion v Schwalbe Utremo.... similar rolling resistance and puncture resistance ?
What about Krylion v GP 4 Seasons ?
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The Schwalbe Ultremo are way lighter, slightly better rolling, but a little worse puncture resistance.
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GP4000s works good for me after trying Micheline Pro 3 Race
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I want the Schwalbe Ultremos too, but $150 for a set of tires... that's absurd.
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My friend uses Michelin Pro Race 2 and has more punctures than me even though he's lighter. Are the GP4000 more resistant than PR2/3 ?

The Conti 4 Season is sold as a tire and tube packaged set. Why's that... do the tubes and tires work in conjunction to provide puncture resistance... do I have to use that combo? Source: http://www.wiggle.co.uk/c/Cycle/7/Tyres_-_Road_Race/
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Originally Posted by mustang1 View Post
My friend uses Michelin Pro Race 2 and has more punctures than me even though he's lighter. Are the GP4000 more resistant than PR2/3 ?

The Conti 4 Season is sold as a tire and tube packaged set. Why's that... do the tubes and tires work in conjunction to provide puncture resistance... do I have to use that combo? Source: http://www.wiggle.co.uk/c/Cycle/7/Tyres_-_Road_Race/
In my experience they are. I tried PR2 and had several flats while never having a flat with GP4000 on the same roads. GP4000 will also last for longer. However, the PR2's ride is a little nicer, more supple and seems grippier.
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I want the Schwalbe Ultremos too, but $150 for a set of tires... that's absurd.
Where do you shop? I see them here for less than $37 per tire.

http://www.totalcycling.com/index.ph...0a75grnvi3s701
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I hit the same road block a few months ago and ended up withi Gommitalia Calypso K tires. Great feel, great traction and they're doing well with regards to flats as well. They are more pricey than the Krylions though, and I can't find the 70/pair deal that I got them for at Competitive Cyclist. They're back to 40/each.

Oh, and an extra bonus is that they mount and unmount easier than the Krylions.

I'll probably go back to Michelin when they come back in stock due to the price difference, but these are great tires.

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Thanks everyone. I'll let you know what I order, but right now I'm thinking of giving Conti GP4Seasons a shot. I've never heard of gomitalia - they sound interesting, maybe I'll do some more research on them.
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In the end, I went for Conti Ultra Gatorskin to fit my Aksium wheelset using Specialized tubes (I've been using those since day one and saw no need to change).
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yeah conti gp 4000s is supposed to have more puncture resistance than the pro race, supposedly it has almost as much as the gatorskin but it's about 30 grams lighter, it's advertised as the tire with no compromises, something you can use for both racing and commuting. i put my first pair on yesterday but i haven't tried them out yet.
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serfas seca rs

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Originally Posted by geist View Post
Vittoria Pave', the best tire on the planet.
I'll second this. Wonderful tire.

That stated, they ain't on my winter bike.
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Gommitalia calypso - excel sports - $70 a pair. Best deal on the planet if you live in the states. Had to stop buying them as our ozzie dollar is so weak at the moment and the delivery fee is a killer. Will be back when exchange rate improves
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This has been discussed on other threads, two tires often mentioned that are relatively flat resistant are the Continental Grand Prix 4Season and Ultra GatorSkin. The latter is tougher. I just put on my Grand Prix 4Season's, newly arrived from PBK. They are a nice looking tire and installed easily. I'm about to take them for a spin.

My flat-magnet ProRace3's weighed 205 grams on my scale, the 4Season's 236 grams.

Here is the info from the Conti site. Interestingly, the Gatorskins weigh only 10 grams more. Everything in the ad copy, however, is about how durable it is, and nothing about how enjoyable all those kilometers are likely to be.

Grand Prix 4-Season


The result of experiences at Paris-Roubaix - HANDMADE IN GERMANY !


Modelled on the Grand Prix 3000, the Grand Prix 4Season provides you with even greater puncture resistance thanks to the Duraskin fabric. Light-weight racing tyres are especially susceptible to damage on the sidewall. Because of this, each year many cyclists are forced to abandon events, for instance in the Paris-Roubaix race. The Duraskin fabric reinforces the sidewall without significantly adding to the weight of the tyre. In 2004, cyclists equipped with Duraskin tyres had 80% fewer flats than those riding on other makes.

The compound has also been modified for all-year-round use. You´ll cover more kilometres on the Grand Prix 4Season and won't have to worry about the tire compound hardening and thus the grip performance decreasing.

The 23mm, 25mm und [<--sic, proves it is German!] 28mm versions also make it possible to select the right tyre for various road qualities and comfort requirements.

3 plies/ total 330 tpi + Nylon Double Breaker + Duraskin


Grand Prix 4-Season 23-622 700 x 23C black/black Duraskin - weight: 220





Ultra GatorSkin

The kilometre king - HANDMADE IN GERMANY !



A durable carbon black mixture, a well regarded puncture protection system and DuraSkin-anti-cut fabric turn the Ultra GatorSkin into a real long distance runner. In varying widths from 23mm to 32mm it can be used on the way to work as well for training for road races or for sportifs and audax. A durable, tough tyre at a really nice price. A modern tread design that collects less debris and the expansion of the product line to the new dimension 28-559 for fast MTB street riding.

3 plies / total 180 tpi / SafetySystem Breaker + DuraSkin


Ultra GatorSkin 23-622 700 x 23C black/black weight foldable: 230

EDIT: I just took my new Conti 4Seasons for a spin. In comparison to the Krylion's, they seem less resilient, more like a commuter tire. They sure seem robust, I get the feeling I will go through the whole winter commuting without a flat. For now, I will plan to get the Krylions back on when they again become available, mainly because they are available in red.

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Originally Posted by allstar255 View Post
serfas seca rs

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Agreed. The Serfas Seca RS is a great tire.
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