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Man, I wish I didn't want a compact...

Old 10-22-08, 08:03 PM
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Man, I wish I didn't want a compact...

I've been flirting with the idea of ditching my triple for a compact double. I doubt I will ever ride a standard double because I have weak little wussy knees that don't appreciate mashing at all - i.e. I will always want to be geared "too low" rather than "too high".

Anyways back to the story - Zipp double crankset on chainlove for $220. Man, I wish I didn't want a compact...

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I sprint with a compact 50/34 - 11/23. The fact that it helps me spin on climbs is just a bonus.

Pretty sure it has little to do with weak legs.
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Old 10-22-08, 08:48 PM
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I bought the last Ultegra 6650 compact crank off pbk this morning for $130
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I bought the last Ultegra 6650 compact crank off pbk this morning for $130
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I ride with an Ultegra 6650 and I'm an old man with an ex football player's torso. I've already had my left knee 'scoped (bad knees are the bane of linemen). My bike shop convinced me that a triple wasn't necessary and I'd do just fine with a compact. They were right and I love it.
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I have compact and I want to go to a regular.
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I'm selling an ultegra/dura ace level shimano R700 compact if you're interested...

And/or selling a Shimano 105 5600 53/39 crankset as well.
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I have a compact...and have thought about going conventional. But I'm like...how often and how long do I ride the 50 chain ring with the 11 cog at high RPM? Not often...and not for very long. So i think a 53 would be overkill!
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I had a compact, I found it very useful, and much preferred to my triple before that. My wife also went from a triple to a compact double and likes it better, mostly just because the shifting. I switched to a standard to try to improve my strength and it seems to have worked. I'm also a little guy and I need the high gear when I descend, it's the only way I can put out enough power to keep up with the bigger guys.
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Originally Posted by celerystalksme View Post
I have a compact...and have thought about going conventional. But I'm like...how often and how long do I ride the 50 chain ring with the 11 cog at high RPM? Not often...and not for very long. So i think a 53 would be overkill!
I like using a compact a lot too. I have one on my backup bike, and I'd race it even though the bike is a few lbs heavier if the race was very hilly. I just got given an SRM so I don't have the use for a crank that isn't compatible with the BB's I'm going to be using.

Like umd, I'm hoping it makes me stronger, and if not, there are always 11-28 cassettes
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The only differrence I can see with a compact vs. a standard is that the compact allows you to use more of your cassette. Especially when climbing.
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
...it's the only way I can put out enough power to keep up with the bigger guys.
Or drafting them.
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My new bike is a compact, my old Italian steel isn't so I get the best of both worlds.
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Originally Posted by Chucklehead View Post
The only differrence I can see with a compact vs. a standard is that the compact allows you to use more of your cassette. Especially when climbing.
Yeah, I agree with you completely.

When I raced at CDR's bethel. I could stay on my big ring for the little hill while I heard everyone else shifting. I used that to my advantage when I got 3rd because I spun up it and hit it hard, only to try going up using a silly combo and getting passed right before the finish. Whoops...

Less chance of dropping a chain by using the extreme combos.
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Been thinking about this a bit - I currently ride a triple, but rarely use the granny, mostly my 39T for the majority of my hill climbs. I've been wondering if my next crankset should be a compact or regular double.

My question is, if you've switched to a 34T, do you miss your 39T? (Granny still visits me when slopes get significantly above 15%.)
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Been thinking about this a bit - I currently ride a triple, but rarely use the granny, mostly my 39T for the majority of my hill climbs. I've been wondering if my next crankset should be a compact or regular double.

My question is, if you've switched to a 34T, do you miss your 39T? (Granny still visits me when slopes get significantly above 15%.)
Don't really miss the 39 all that much. I find that I'm cross chained a little more with a compact, but that isn't an issue on a 10 speed setup.

What matters is the gear range. If you get a compact, you run the advantage of running an 11-23 and having about the same gearing as a regular double with a 12-25, but you can get more easier gears by swapping cassettes.

Also, on my regular double, I'm not in the big ring for anywhere near the amount of time I spend in my 50 with a compact. You can big ring it for much much longer.

On my new crankset, I will have to get a 38 little ring and 11-28 cassette to get a similar high gear to my compact.

I really really like compacts. They're just incredibly versatile with cassette changes.

A compact with a 12-27 or 11-28 has the perfect range for anything and everything though you might have some cadence hiccups.
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Originally Posted by Beaker View Post
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No problem!

Now I'm going to have one bike with a double and the other with a compact. I'd race either of them as needed, the bike with the compact is a few lbs heavier, but for more efficient gearing the weight 'penalty' is totally worth it.

One of the BF members who is a regular on the racing subforum is a CAT2 and races on a 50/34 double with an 11-23. He's never been hurt because of it.

Use the late sheldon brown's gear calculator to figure out what the differences are and what cassette you might want to use.
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I love my compact, imo, you have to be an incredibly strong rider to even be able to effectively utilize the 53/39.
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post
No problem!

Now I'm going to have one bike with a double and the other with a compact. I'd race either of them as needed, the bike with the compact is a few lbs heavier, but for more efficient gearing the weight 'penalty' is totally worth it.

One of the BF members who is a regular on the racing subforum is a CAT2 and races on a 50/34 double with an 11-23. He's never been hurt because of it.

Use the late sheldon brown's gear calculator to figure out what the differences are and what cassette you might want to use.
Yeah - I've made a lot of use of Sheldon's calculator this year. When I'm closer to this, I'll likely go test ride a compact on some local climbs.
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I'd like to get a compact just to try it out, but I've gone the cheaper route on 2 of my bikes w/ a 53/39 standard and a 10 spd 13-29 cassette on each (both Campy).

This basically gives me the same gearing as a 50/34 compact with a 12-25 cassette, but without having to pay the usual extra cost for a compact crank and/or derailluers.

In other words, it's really all about finding the gearing ratios that work best for you and not about compact vs. standard.
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OK a followup to my earlier threadjack. Still chewing the fat around the 50/34 and found myself browsing non-Shimano options and came across the intriguing 52/36 option -- kicker is I've only found it in the Red lineup. Anyone got any experience with this combo? I'm thinking that the 36T could be a pretty nice crank to pair with my existing 12-27, as well as giving me the bonus of a slightly higher top end. Thing is I'm thinking I'll be paying through the nose for Red cranks, and presumably need a SRAM BB.

Thoughts?
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Originally Posted by Beaker View Post
OK a followup to my earlier threadjack. Still chewing the fat around the 50/34 and found myself browsing non-Shimano options and came across the intriguing 52/36 option -- kicker is I've only found it in the Red lineup. Anyone got any experience with this combo? I'm thinking that the 36T could be a pretty nice crank to pair with my existing 12-27, as well as giving me the bonus of a slightly higher top end. Thing is I'm thinking I'll be paying through the nose for Red cranks, and presumably need a SRAM BB.

Thoughts?
I have a Shimano Dura-Ace 7800 52/36 crankset. If you'e not a super high cadence guy...and don't climb TONS of hills...but you're not quite as strong as a lot of riders, it's a good option. I like it. I'm actually going to put that crank on my tt/tri bike. I think I'll just go with the compact for the road bike.
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