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the rat 10-30-08 06:08 AM

Frame choices, Aero vs Light
 
Excuse my noviceness if this has been discussed in detail already, and feel free to refer me to any relevant threads, BUT!
I have a question. Looking at a new frame for the roadie, Ive landed on a few ideas. All are a similar price range

Second hand (2007) cervelo soloist ~1350g for 54cm
Pro's-Aero and bling
Cons-Harsh ride? Second hand voids warranty normally, have these been known to break? May be slightly more expensive

Hasa/Pedal force (Taiwanese carbon frame, stock standard stuff) ~<1000g for medium
Pro's-Can put my own graphics on, light, warranty, carbon smoothness
Con's-Not likely to pull style points from die hard roadies

Soul bikes aluminium group buy ~1100g for medium
Pro's-Lightweight, warranty, possibly slightly cheaper
Con's-Possibly a harsh ride, not many (if any) rider feedback/reviews, may even be first production run???

Second hand cannondale CAAD9 ~1250 for 54cm
Pro's-Bling factor, respected brand and model etc etc
Cons-No warranty if second hand? Harsh ride? Ive heard and seen a few cracknfails, but unsure of this model specifically.

Anything with a question mark behind it is a vague guess, please feel free to fill me in!
Im leaning towards the cervelo, or possibly the plain carbon frame. Only thing with the cervelo is it may come with the recalled wolf fork, which i would have to try and replace through a dealer i didnt purchase from.

Basically, if Im a 65kg rider, how important is lightweight (hasa) versus aero (cervelo)? Would I be prone to much trouble in crosswinds? I wont be riding with aero rims.

Nessism 10-30-08 10:25 AM

The contribution of the frame to aerodynamic drag is very small. Not worth much thought. How you fit on the bike is the most important thing.

patentcad 10-30-08 10:29 AM

In that $ range?

Pedal Force.

Grasschopper 10-30-08 10:44 AM

If you wont be running aero wheels then don't worry about an aero frame...wheels make a much bigger difference in the aero equation.

celerystalksme 10-30-08 10:51 AM

How much and how heavy are Kestrel frames?

All carbon fibre...aero...I think they're like 1000-1100 grams. I THINK they might be slighly expensive. But a used one might be a killer deal.

Campag4life 10-30-08 10:55 AM


Originally Posted by Nessism (Post 7761348)
The contribution of the frame to aerodynamic drag is very small. Not worth much thought. How you fit on the bike is the most important thing.

Actually the color is the most important thing. You don't want to have to change your helmet and shoes if the colors clash.

BananaTugger 10-30-08 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by celerystalksme (Post 7761537)
How much and how heavy are Kestrel frames?

All carbon fibre...aero...I think they're like 1000-1100 grams. I THINK they might be slighly expensive. But a used one might be a killer deal.

Take your pick.

the rat 11-01-08 01:40 AM

To throw another option into the mix....
A completely new bike...
http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-AU/...28/32040/zoom/

Not bling, but functional and semi aero...

Cheers for the opinions so far. Anyone heard of cracking cervelo soloists?

Spookykinkajou 11-01-08 07:26 AM

worry about your body, first, then start thinking about frames and wheels. Since you had to ask I'll speculate and say it really won't matter which wheels or frame you get right now, perhaps in the future it will.

there's a group buy for a carbon frame in the group buy forum that's even lighter than the pedal force and cheaper. i'm getting one of those for the weight weenie within.

asgelle 11-01-08 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by Grasschopper (Post 7761475)
If you wont be running aero wheels then don't worry about an aero frame...wheels make a much bigger difference in the aero equation.

Actually the data show the drag reduction going from a standard to aero frame is about the same as going from standard to aero wheels.

itri-45 11-01-08 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by asgelle (Post 7773086)
Actually the data show the drag reduction going from a standard to aero frame is about the same as going from standard to aero wheels.

I'm interested to see. Would you mind provide me the data or link? Thanks.


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