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Conti GP 4 Seasons or 4000s?

Old 11-11-08, 04:58 PM
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Conti GP 4 Seasons or 4000s?

Been using Michelin Krylions the last couple of years. Either of the Contis look flat resistant, so anyone with experience with either or both, what's your opinion? The weight difference isn't a factor...I'm leaning towards the 4000s, wondering what mileage from either tire will be like.

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They're rather different tyres. 4000s is a high performance racing tyre, 4 Seasons is what it says on the tin - it's an 'all-season' (viz. winter) training tyre.

Might as well throw GP Attack/Force into the mix too. I've got two pairs on different wheels and am a fan - though I've never ridden either the 4000s or 4 Season.
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I use both and can say that the 4000's are really great tires. Plenty of performance without sacrificing some commuting prowess. I don't have a mileage number for you though but I have had the 4 seasons on my commuter for over two years (with pretty good mileage on them)
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4-Seasons should have better puncture resistance, but a stiffer, less supple casing. Of course, how much puncture resistance depends a lot on your road conditions.

Right now I have a 4-Seasons on the rear (where almost all my punctures happen) and a 4000 on the front (for better cornering). I can usually run the 4-Seasons down to the cords without getting any flats.
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On the GP 4000S you should expect 2500-4000 miles and about 4000+ miles on the GP 4 season. Ride will be a little softer on the 4000S as they have a softer casing. The GP4 season have a tough case/sidewall.

If you check out our tires you'll see we list all of them with estimated tread life. Of course we do not factor into the tread wear the potential for a major puncture that cannot be fixed, like a nail. Hopefully that's not something you run into a lot on your ride.

For your review
http://www.wekeepyoucycling.com/en/p...00-s-tire.aspx
http://www.wekeepyoucycling.com/en/p...-4-season.aspx
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in any case, check out the PBK. I think they carry both and have some rocking good deals right now.
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Originally Posted by Rob P View Post
On the GP 4000S you should expect 2500-4000 miles and about 4000+ miles on the GP 4 season. Ride will be a little softer on the 4000S as they have a softer casing. The GP4 season have a tough case/sidewall.

If you check out our tires you'll see we list all of them with estimated tread life. Of course we do not factor into the tread wear the potential for a major puncture that cannot be fixed, like a nail. Hopefully that's not something you run into a lot on your ride.

For your review
http://www.wekeepyoucycling.com/en/p...00-s-tire.aspx
http://www.wekeepyoucycling.com/en/p...-4-season.aspx
Really? Wow, they must have really improved them over the 3000 then and I didn't think they were bad for wearing prematurely. My rear 3000 usually lasts around 1500-2000 tops. Front lasts for ages, probably more like you're suggesting for the 4000s. I've just put a pair of 4000s on my new SLs. Should be interesting to see how they fair.
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Originally Posted by tjspahr View Post
Been using Michelin Krylions the last couple of years. Either of the Contis look flat resistant, so anyone with experience with either or both, what's your opinion? The weight difference isn't a factor...I'm leaning towards the 4000s, wondering what mileage from either tire will be like.

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Then don't stop using the Krylions. I have used GP4000. They are nice.
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I have been riding the Conti GP 4000 / 4000s for the past 4 years and have nothing but good things to say about the tire. Good in corners, low rolling resistance, decent on wet surfaces and very few punctures. Only downside is mounting new tires can be challenging depending on your wheelset. Tires are handmade and very tight when initially mounting.
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Originally Posted by Matt Gaunt View Post
Wow, they must have really improved them over the 3000
Night and day. The Conti 3000 series tire was a DOG. I hated it. I have been riding Conti 4000S tires for a while because I needed new tires and PBK was out of ProRace2's when I ordered. The Conti 4000S tires are orders of magnitude better than GP 3000 tires.
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Originally Posted by Matt Gaunt View Post
Really? Wow, they must have really improved them over the 3000 then and I didn't think they were bad for wearing prematurely. My rear 3000 usually lasts around 1500-2000 tops. Front lasts for ages, probably more like you're suggesting for the 4000s. I've just put a pair of 4000s on my new SLs. Should be interesting to see how they fair.
It's a really different tire. The new compound, black chili, improves the durability.
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Originally Posted by mollusk View Post
Night and day. The Conti 3000 series tire was a DOG. I hated it. I have been riding Conti 4000S tires for a while because I needed new tires and PBK was out of ProRace2's when I ordered. The Conti 4000S tires are orders of magnitude better than GP 3000 tires.
Cool. I didn't think they were a bad tire overall, especially for £12 each but I'm looking forward to getting on the 4000Ss next season. I'm on winter training now (read the Max) so no riding the new SLs for a while.
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Originally Posted by MadeInItaly View Post
Then don't stop using the Krylions. I have used GP4000. They are nice.
Do they still make Krylions?

+1 for 4000's
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how do the gators compare to those 2?

and is there a big difference btwn the 4000S and 4000?
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Do they still make Krylions?

+1 for 4000's
I don't think so. I bet you can still get them though. Kinda like 06 Record Cranks..
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I just removed my rear GP4000S after a bit over 7,200 km (~4,500 miles) and no punctures - it was pretty squared off but not through the wear indicators. I swapped the front one (same distance, 1 puncture) onto the back wheel because it still looks fine. VERY happy with these tyres.
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Originally Posted by MadeInItaly View Post
Then don't stop using the Krylions. I have used GP4000. They are nice.
Didn't mention initially, but the Krylion's have been discontinued.
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You might try adding them to your cart before you post...they're not in stock.
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Originally Posted by tjspahr View Post
Didn't mention initially, but the Krylion's have been discontinued.
My understanding is that they are temporarily unavailable as Michelin is moving production of the Krylion to Asia. I could be wrong, but thats what I've heard. Perhaps someone else could clarify.
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Originally Posted by tjspahr View Post
Didn't mention initially, but the Krylion's have been discontinued.
But they can still be gotten. Thats the bottom line.
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Originally Posted by MadeInItaly View Post
But they can still be gotten. Thats the bottom line.
Umm...no. The bottom line is that I've made the decision to try a different tire, as I normally like to run tires in matched sets, and replacement Krylions are getting harder to find. Simply looking for insight into those tires from those that have them, yourself included, since you replied you have used and liked them.

BTW, thanks to everyone for the great response.
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There are about 50 good tires out there. They come down to personal preference and what you need them for. Kinda like asking people opinions of frames , shoes , etc. All personal and useless. I'm puzzled why you want us to compare training tires to racing tires. To be honest I have never had a bad experience with any tires except Vittoria Open CX. They road amazing but tore in a week. I'm sure it was a freak thing but soured me on them.

Buy Gommitali Calypso K. The ride quality of Vittoria's and wear better.
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PBK has them in stock for $28.56. I just ordered a pair...can't beat that price!

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PBK has them in stock for $28.56. I just ordered a pair...can't beat that price!

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