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(to Australians) Baum Titanium

Old 01-08-09, 10:55 PM
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(to Australians) Baum Titanium

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anyone out there owns a custom Baum Ti frame? Opinions? Good? Bad? Ugly?

Quality? Ride? Handling? etc? I have owned 3 full carbon bicycles (and 1 aluminium before). never have ridden a Ti bike, I dont know what to expect.

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Expensive.

I've seen a few. Very nice.

My 7yo son lifted one (Full Ti with Lightweight wheels and SRAM Red) to feel how light it was and nearly threw it over his head.
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thanks. keep them coming. if anyone has gone from full carbon to Ti, please share your experiences too.
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No personal experience, but the two people I know who have purchased Baum bikes have been very impressed with the service and the product.

Another one to consider is Thylacine: https://www.thylacinecycles.com/
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The Baum website truly blows. That won't help them sell bikes.
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Give them a break. We only just had the interweb connected in Australia
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Originally Posted by patentcad
The Baum website truly blows. That won't help them sell bikes.
They don't need help. The current wait is about half a year.
Oh, that's not quite the wait for a Cervelo S2 is it? - so perhaps your onto something...
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Baum makes the finest steel frames I have ever seen. Their Ti is to die for. Makes my Serotta look average.

I have an Espresso (MTB). A close riding buddy has a Ristretto and another an Espresso (both road). They both love their bikes.

Mine? I bent it a few weeks ago. Ouch. I ran into a tree. It is in a box back to Darren Baum as we speak for a new top tube. Oh. Here it is before bend....
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Originally Posted by coldass
They don't need help. The current wait is about half a year.
Oh, that's not quite the wait for a Cervelo S2 is it? - so perhaps your onto something...
Nobody knows what the wait for an S2 may be. Right now 'forever' is a possibility until proven otherwise.

That website still blows pal.
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Sweet looking bikes.
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thanks everyone. 6 months wait for Baum Ti is a big ouch. i am planning in advance here, my birthday is late in the year.... i have a lot of work to do to soften up the wife! those Baum bicycles are very expensive. keep them coming.

re web site, it is not the best i agree but i dont think it blows. just average, IMO.
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I guess the advantage of going with Baum, is that you could consider a TI custom frame, which would be pretty awesome. Makes it easier if you live in Melbourne, on the way to Geelong.
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fantastic frames.

I know a few folks that have Ti Baum frames, they more or less raced internationally/pro etc. So they would have had a chance to ride lots more bikes than the average bloke (usually anyway)

Michelle Ferris has a sweet as Ti Baum track bike.
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Originally Posted by woodduck
fantastic frames.
Michelle Ferris has a sweet as Ti Baum track bike.
That is one of the nicest track frames I have seen in a long while - I spent too much time looking at the frame during a race that I forgot to sprint when the bell went
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I ride a Baum Espresso (mid range steel) - the quality, service and attention to detail is really exceptional. I give them crap about their website every time I see them, they know its crap and don't care - as other have said, there is a pretty serious backlog to get bikes out of them anyway.

The fit is exceptional, really noticeable, everything else I try never quite feels right. With zipps it's 7.4kg running centaur, not too shabby I reckon. Oh on the price, yes Ti is pretty expensive, though all the nice Carbon frames are expensive too, given it's made custom, mostly by hand, I reckon it's not so bad really. My road bike was comparable with a similar speced specialized to give an idea.

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If you live in Aust and want a custom bike go to Steve Hogg in Sydney to be fitted first. I say bike because the frame is only part of the equation. I bought a Baum through a so called reputable fitter in Melb and had to buy another one once I had been properly fitted by Steve. Mine is the Espresso (steel) and a real joy to ride. If you have lots of money certainly go with the Ti but most of us mere mortals wouldn't notice the difference. Good fit and smart training will make the biggest difference. As Steve's motto says Comfort + efficency = performance.

Good luck and enjoy the experience a good custom fit brings.

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I'll add one more thing, Darren Baum almost went broke a number of years ago as his frames were so good.

he had more or less one model, it was the best you could get no matter what you got.

he then brought out levels of frames with a top tier frame etc, as when you originally bought one he had nothing to up-sell you for the next one.

And yeah, 100% if you have access to Steve Hogg, go.
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I've just started looking into Baum's. By far the most beautiful bikes out there, I think. That Corretto on their web-site is my favorite bike anywhere. Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how much one of those frames might cost in US $? I don't wanna waste their time asking since I'm sure I can't afford one.
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thanks all! Yes, I have already been fitted by Steve Hogg (he is THE man!) and I have the geometry all sorted. And I live in Melbourne, only ~90min drive from Baum in Geelong. I just wanted to hear opinions of Baum riders/owners/on-lookers because as you all say, they are very expensive. Steve Hogg himself likes a Baum and when last I looked he rides a Baum steel. Phil Liggett has a black Ti Baum too (Ristretto Ti, ~2005-6 vintage). My biggest problem now is "the wife". You know, the one who thinks she must be obeyed! 8^)
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I won't even attempt to give you advise on the wife.

As I mentioned earlier I am a Baum rider and this is my fourth steel bike and never riden any other material and my next bike and hopefully the last will be lugged steel. I don't feel I have to try other materials to keep up with the bunch or win a race. Work out what your intended use is and how much you want to spend.

Baum make a very nice bike and I often get comments as you see very few in Sydney. I was in Melb until 12 months ago and ordered my bike thru Steve and picked up and had the final fitting done when I arrived in Jan 08. Get the fit dialed in and the material is really secondary.
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Darren made an interesting comment about Ti when we were talking once, actually two comments. 1) His own bikes are all steel, and you can't tell me he can't ride whatever he damn well likes... 2) Both a steel and Ti bike will out live the riders 'fit' - that is lets say 10 years for steel and 25 years for Ti - but what's the point of a 25 years bike when your flexibility and fitness is likely to change a great deal in 10 years anyway. The weight difference is actually really small.
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thanks again folks. yes, i have heard arguments of steel-versus-ti. i personally prefer ti to steel but i fully accept that the difference may be negligible. the 200grams of extra weight does not worry me, given Ti is already ~250 grams heavier than my full carbon frame. what i do like about Ti is that it is a lot more crash-worthy than any carbon and the ride quality of Ti is as good or better than the best carbon frames. i want someting i can ride for 4-5-6 hours on open road that does not beat up my old body! 8^)

how much more does a Baum Ti frame cost versus a Baum steel frame, approx? AUS$1000 more? I want the bottom of the range Ti, the one without any rider weight limits (Romano, I think? or Cubano?). Baum removed all prices from their web site. I presume, "if you have to ask, you can't afford it!". 8^)
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Originally Posted by acid_rider
how much more does a Baum Ti frame cost versus a Baum steel frame, approx? AUS$1000 more? I want the bottom of the range Ti, the one without any rider weight limits (Romano, I think? or Cubano?). Baum removed all prices from their web site. I presume, "if you have to ask, you can't afford it!". 8^)
The prices were on the web site until our dollar took a dive last year - I don't think they are trying to hide anything, but just don't want to show a price list that needs to be changed frequently. They will send you a price list if you ask!

I have a price list from mid-2006 but it may not be too helpful since the range of frames has changed since then. At that time, the Ti frames were ~ 30% more expensive than the equivalent steel ones.
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All good advice.
I sent Baum e-mail with lot of questions and request for prices, just last week. No replies. I presume they are still closed for Xmas/NY holidays at the moment. Re AUS dollar diving, yes, but there is also a major economic crisis that puts a down pressure on prices, and on length of waiting list, I would think. I was thinking Romano Ti or the next one up, Cubano Ti, I think. The Romano Ti has carbon stays which to me negates the point of a Ti frame. If I wanted carbon tubes I could just buy a carbon frame. What do carbon stays add to a Ti or a steel frame versus keeping it all in same material? I dont even know why Baum bothers offering mixed Ti+carbon frames.
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Before the crash the top of the range steel bike (not stainless) with an edge 1.0 fork and chris king h/s was about $4100 aud and the top of the line Ti was around $6995 with an edge 1.0 fork and either a tune bobo or King H/S

Not cheap but nice!

I heard the wait was pushing out to 18 months...
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ouch

Originally Posted by Blacklab78
Before the crash the top of the range steel bike (not stainless) with an edge 1.0 fork and chris king h/s was about $4100 aud and the top of the line Ti was around $6995 with an edge 1.0 fork and either a tune bobo or King H/S

Not cheap but nice!

I heard the wait was pushing out to 18 months...
Thanks, in this case I wont be in that list. I was thinking along the lines of ~3 months wait give or take a month, and 6 months would be my absolute limit of patience. No bike is worth that long to wait for! And the AUS$7K price for Ti frame+fork is also out of the question. Even $4K (for steel?) price is not on. I fit well on my current carbon bike so I don't not require custom for a good fit. Pity. Oh well. Thanks anyway.
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