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Trek 2.1 or 2.3?

Old 01-25-09, 05:20 PM
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Trek 2.1 or 2.3?

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Upgrading soon & trying to decide between trek 2.1 and 2.3.

Basically same frame, but 2.3 has 105 group w/ ultegra R.D. whereas 2.1 has tiagra group w/105 R.D.
The 2.3 also has an upgraded wheelset.

Both have carbon fork/seat stays...

I'm expecting everyone to say 2.3, but at $400 between them, there's quite a difference for my wallet...and that's a lot of money to come by when you're 15.
Many accessories could also be purchased for that leftover dough.

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Welcome to BF! Prepare for unrelenting dose of sarcasim along with some good advice.

Anyway, the 2.3 has a better wheel set. Anyway, I suggest the 2.3 (like you were expecting). Although this is just my opinion, but I always suggest to people who are buying new road bikes to get the best in components that they can (at entry level anyway). I believe there is a relatively significant different between 105 & tiagra; whereas there are some but limited differences between Dura-Ace & Ultegra SL. The last thing you want on your new bike is to be frustrated with broken cables & non-smooth shifting gears.

But please remember, the bike is the beginning of the costs. There are shorts, jersey, pedals, shoes, etc. And as much as everybody on here will tell you spend all you can plus 20%; you have to make a decision that is right for you.
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2.1 with a jersey, shorts, cleats, and pedals (should run about $400) beats a 2.3 without.


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Old 01-25-09, 05:34 PM
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I already have SPD pedals, shoes, and clothes, but I'll probably be buying more- as well as bottle cages and computer.
Thanks for your feedback, hope to hear more.
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Is either bike being discounted heavily? If not, i'd recommend riding a few others. There's nothing wrong with the Treks (I have a 2100zr, the 2.1 is the new version of it), but I feel that at the current prices they're not offering a great deal of value.

Have you tried a CAAD9 bike from Cannondale? The pricing should be similar, but the CAAD9 is a race-level frame that only a few years ago was selling at far higher prices.

The Trek "2" series used to use US made frames in the 2100 and 2300 (to the best of my knowledge one of the last US made Aluminum racing bike frames from Trek), but it seems that production has moved to Asia for the 2.1 and 2.3 along with a price increase.

You may be better off with the 2.1, selling the wheelset and getting something nicer, I think the upgraded wheelset will make a bigger difference than the 105 vs. Ultegra.
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Also, will I really notice the difference between Tiagra and 105?
I have a trek 7.3fx right now, so either would be an improvement...
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anyone else? All comments appreciated...
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Here is a perspective...

My wife has the 2.1, and since I am her mechanic, I am no fan. Those wheels don't stay true. I am not sure what you get on the 2.3 though. I am sure they are still Bonti wheels, but perhaps they are better. I have had to true her wheels 3 times so far and she weighs 150lbs and only put about 1800 miles on the bike.

Also, the saddle on the 2.1 is far too cushy for real riding, but I never would use a stock saddle anyway.
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If you're going to be riding a lot then I would suggest going with the 105.
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The wheels on both of them suck. I have the 2.3, I'm around 135lbs and the rear has gone out of true 3 times, the front twice. But the weird thing is I've put about 1000 miles on them since the last time and they've been a-ok. They're heavy for what they are and the flex, flex, flex, flex!!! I can easily get them to flex quite a bit in a hard sprint or mashing up a climb. With either one of those options new wheels would be recommended.

The difference between 105 and Tiagra is a noticeable one. The 105's will be smoother as well as more durable. That's not to say the Tiagras aren't bad to begin with. Just stay away from Sora.

I say go with the 2.3 just because it has better components. Other than that they're both great bikes. The only thing is I've noticed the bottom bracket tends to flex a little, it's especially noticeable on a trainer. But for what it is, it's not bad.

How much do they want for it?
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2.1 is 1200, 2.3 is 1600 at LBS - I'm not going to be pushing it insanely hard nor racing much if at all...for hard recreational/ avid fitness riding, would they still be alright? Anything more is out of my price range.
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Tiagra-105 mix is fine if you're not racing. I'd go with the 2.1, but you probably should replace the Bontragers with Mavic Aksiums or something.
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Not a good value
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My 2.1 is my first road bike (so I don't have much to compare it to) and I don't have any major complaints with it. My girlfriend has a Madone 4.5wsd (105 drivetrain/ ultegra RD) and although you can tell which bike has the better drivetrain, the difference isn't huge, and has more to do with feel than anything. If the 2.3 is a stretch financially, I don't think you'd be disappointed by the 2.1.

The 4.5 has the same Bontrager Race wheels as the 2.3. My gf hasn't had any problems with them, but she hasn't put a ton of miles on the bike either. My bike has 650c Alex wheels stock, so I can't comment on the difference in wheels.

ETA: If I didn't need the 43 cm frame (being short sucks), there are definitely other bikes I'd look at in this price range, especially with Trek's price increase for '09. I didn't really like the factory saddle on my bike (the cover has changed for '09, but I don't know if the saddle itself has), but the 90 day money-back guarantee convinced me to try a Bontrager Inform RL, which I like.

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You can get a hell of a bike for $1500 on ebay. New old stock, slightly used, etc. I'd look there before I splashed down that kind of coin for a 105 build. Then if you want to support your LBS, pay the $100 or so to have them set it up for you. If they get pissy about that, find another LBS.
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I've actually been keeping tabs on ebay for months. From my lack of knowledge of road bike geometry, fit, size, etc...I think I'd rather get a proper fit from the LBS on one of their bikes.
Plus, there's no feeling like having something brand new =)
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Got my 2.1 last August, 1100 miles and I have not touched it, bike shop did a tune up at 300 miles.

My wife has a 1.2, totally sucks, what a difference.
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I'm leaning more towards the 2.1...I can always throw some Aksiums on there if I don't like the wheelset.
Since they have the same frame, I could also upgrade components in the future...that stuff's cheap on ebay.
Anyone else want to pitch in?
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I'm not sure where APK is, but I'm in West Palm Beach, FL, and I would definitely ask your LBS if that's the best price they can do. I would also call all of the Trek dealers in your area and find out what they are asking. You are getting it a bit below MSRP, but I got better today.

We are about to buy a new road bike for my wife and we considered the 2.1, 2.3, 4.5, and 4.7. We were quoted $850 for a 2009 2.1. I didn't get a price on a 2.3.

Even if you want to stick with this LBS, if there are others within an hour and a half driving distance, I would get their price and then ask the LBS you like the best to price match it.

It can't hurt, and that's a lot of coin that can go to other things.
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Originally Posted by APKjuniorFL View Post
I'm leaning more towards the 2.1...I can always throw some Aksiums on there if I don't like the wheelset.
Since they have the same frame, I could also upgrade components in the future...that stuff's cheap on ebay.
Anyone else want to pitch in?
That idea sounds the best to me. Save the money on the 2.1 and put the saved money toward a good wheelset.

Also, as far as having Tiagra goes, don't sweat it too much. I have tiagra on my commuter, and it takes a beating on a regular basis, (mud, snow, road salt) and while it may not be the smoothest shifting, it hasn't failed me (yet... knock on wood).
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Originally Posted by APKjuniorFL View Post
2.1 is 1200, 2.3 is 1600 at LBS - I'm not going to be pushing it insanely hard nor racing much if at all...for hard recreational/ avid fitness riding, would they still be alright? Anything more is out of my price range.
IMHO, $1,200 is (way) too much money for Tiagra. If you stick with it, you will quickly wish you had better components. IF you dig, you can find very nice, 105-level aluminum bikes for 1,200 range. Try Specialized Allez, CAAD 9, Giant OCR...all good bikes at better prices. I have a CF Trek so I like them, but I think you need better components for that amount of cash.
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Originally Posted by APKjuniorFL View Post
I'm leaning more towards the 2.1...I can always throw some Aksiums on there if I don't like the wheelset.
Since they have the same frame, I could also upgrade components in the future...that stuff's cheap on ebay.
Anyone else want to pitch in?
1200 is a little much. The caad9 is a better bike in many ways. For 1600, you can usually get a low-end carbon bike (like a 4.5 on closeout) with the same components.
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I'd still strongly suggest checking out the CAAD9. You can get a far better deal on eBay, but if it's your first bike, buy from a shop and get fitted.

The CAAD9 also should hold up it's resale value quite well if you want to upgrade in a year or two.

I'd rather go with the CAAD9 w/Tiagra than the 2.3 w/105. FYI in previous years the 2100 was 105, the 2300 was Ultegra.
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There is no way I'd pay that much money for a Tiagra-equipped bike. There are too many good deals on new-old-stock or slightly used bikes to choose from with 105 or Ultegra.

And I'd rather have a good aluminum frame than a low-end carbon.
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It IS a good aluminum frame. It only has a carbon fork and seatstays...
I'm more interested in if the components need fixing often and can take a beating than what name/weight they have.
I'm not looking to race much, if at all, and I'm not really all that bothered if I impress the elitists or not.

I mean gimme a break, I'm 15. A bike like this is good enough for me!
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