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How about New York?

If Qatar can do it how about NY City? They could have the opening stage in Central Park. But it would have to be @ 5-6AM, with a guy in the front on a bad megaphone saying 'Stay out of the yoggers liane' to a puzzled peloton.
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The experience wouldn't be complete unless the Portapottys weren't open and then when the race finally started, Tom Boonen complained about all the horse ****.
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New York City rules (/thread)
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...and it would be a good place to have me make you look silly slow.
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...and it would be a good place to have me make you look silly slow.
That's already being taken care of Ricky. They don't need your help.
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How about the tour of Long Island. It would be just like Tour of Qatar (flat, boring, pointless), but with rain and muggings.
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How about the tour of Long Island. It would be just like Tour of Qatar (flat, boring, pointless), but with rain and muggings.
The team busses would never make it to the start of the Stage. They would be in gridlock on the LIE.
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How about the tour of Long Island. It would be just like Tour of Qatar (flat, boring, pointless), but with rain and muggings.
Que?
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There hasn't been an actual street mugging in the NY Metro Area since 1988. That has been displaced by Municipal Property Tax Mugging, with $10K property tax bills on $375K houses. I'd rather give the guy my wallet at knifepoint, it's cheaper.
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There hasn't been an actual street mugging in the NY Metro Area since 1988. That has been displaced by Municipal Property Tax Mugging, with $10K property tax bills on $375K houses. I'd rather give the guy my wallet at knifepoint, it's cheaper.
$10K in taxes on a $375K house...thats lower than what we were paying in Peoria...burp
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I think mr tom is projecting a bit - no chavs on this side of the pond!
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I think it would be awesome, especially if they go through some of the scenic routes north of the city. The heat in July might be a bit much, but if they're considering Qatar in July then NY could be possible as well. Scotland would be a great place to host a stage as well, I've been keen on going back and riding through the Highlands. At some point I want to ride from Edinburgh to Aberdeen.

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I think mr tom is projecting a bit - no chavs on this side of the pond!
We have our own variety that's for sure.
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
There hasn't been an actual street mugging in the NY Metro Area since 1988. That has been displaced by Municipal Property Tax Mugging, with $10K property tax bills on $375K houses. I'd rather give the guy my wallet at knifepoint, it's cheaper.
Is that what you bought your house for? Houses at that price around here normally need at least $100K in repairs before one can live in them.
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Hi,

Any of you newbies remember the first Apple Lap? It was like a dream come true for me and it happened early in my so-called cycling career. It was like the NYC Marathon except it was longer (75 miles) and cooler.

I think it was the fall of 1978. It was a Cat. 1/2/3 race and all of the top riders in the US were there -- the Stetinas, George Mount, Thomas Prehn, etc. I was a (and still am) a Cat. 3 and I had more adrenaline pumping then than for any other race in my life.

We started at the toll plaza for the Verrazano and went over the bridge and ended up on the Belt Parkway. We had a rolling road closure and if I remember correctly, if you were more than 5 min behind the peloton, you were put in the broom wagon. Somehow we worked our way on to the LIE for a short stretch until we got to Clearview Expressway. We hit the biggest climb of the day, the Throgs Neck Bridge. I was on George Mounts wheel most of the way up.

As we were working our way across the Bronx it started to rain. We got to one of those bridges with an open-grate metal roadway. I knew the bridge way coming up so I drifted to the back (you expected me to go off the front!?) and then the carnage began. I ended up with one foot out of the pedal picking my way through the bodies.

I finished with the 2nd group in about 2:50. Thomas Prehn won it in about 2:45.

Now that would be a great stage for a race in NY.

Also, my condolences to the family of Frederiek Nolf, the rider who died in his sleep at the Tour of Qatar.
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Is that what you bought your house for? Houses at that price around here normally need at least $100K in repairs before one can live in them.
Yeah, well stay tuned, I would guess Long Island Real Estate is becoming more affordable every friggin day.

That $15K home buyer tax credit might help put a floor under things. Let's hope so. Good idea.
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$10K in taxes on a $375K house...thats lower than what we were paying in Peoria...burp
Srsly...that's like a quarterly installment in the "Greater Chicago Area"
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Originally Posted by Cleave View Post
Hi,

Any of you newbies remember the first Apple Lap? It was like a dream come true for me and it happened early in my so-called cycling career. It was like the NYC Marathon except it was longer (75 miles) and cooler.

I think it was the fall of 1978. It was a Cat. 1/2/3 race and all of the top riders in the US were there -- the Stetinas, George Mount, Thomas Prehn, etc. I was a (and still am) a Cat. 3 and I had more adrenaline pumping then than for any other race in my life.

We started at the toll plaza for the Verrazano and went over the bridge and ended up on the Belt Parkway. We had a rolling road closure and if I remember correctly, if you were more than 5 min behind the peloton, you were put in the broom wagon. Somehow we worked our way on to the LIE for a short stretch until we got to Clearview Expressway. We hit the biggest climb of the day, the Throgs Neck Bridge. I was on George Mounts wheel most of the way up.

As we were working our way across the Bronx it started to rain. We got to one of those bridges with an open-grate metal roadway. I knew the bridge way coming up so I drifted to the back (you expected me to go off the front!?) and then the carnage began. I ended up with one foot out of the pedal picking my way through the bodies.

I finished with the 2nd group in about 2:50. Thomas Prehn won it in about 2:45.

Now that would be a great stage for a race in NY.

Also, my condolences to the family of Frederiek Nolf, the rider who died in his sleep at the Tour of Qatar.
That's a great story, Cleave. I started biking around then too, 1976, but I wasn't into racing so maybe that's why I don't remember that event. I know the mid-70s saw the re-birth of road biking in this country, and the 5-Boro Bikeathon (that's what they called it back then) began during that time period as well.

I know the bridge you must be talking about, probably the 138 Street bridge. Hazardous when wet!

If they seriously were to consider the city for pro racing, they need to include the Bronx and Yonkers for the climbing features of the race. Many serious climbs . . . not in length, but in grade . . . crazy grades. I could show you some hills in the Bronx that I didn't climb even in my youth . . . I went around them. Crazy steep . . . but a nice challenge for a pro.
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With all this talk about riding in New York Im getting hungry. Its time for a hotdog.

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I think mr tom is projecting a bit - no chavs on this side of the pond!
haha. I spent most of last year in NYC & Connecticut. Yours are just better dressed.
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Already exists...

http://www.tourdenewyork.com/

NY is more than the city.... fortunately.
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http://www.tourdenewyork.com/

NY is more than the city.... fortunately.
Beat me to it. I'm looking forward to seeing the route.
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
If Qatar can do it how about NY City? They could have the opening stage in Central Park. But it would have to be @ 5-6AM, with a guy in the front on a bad megaphone saying 'Stay out of the yoggers liane' to a puzzled peloton.
...to a puzzled peloton riding delivery bikes.
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
There hasn't been an actual street mugging in the NY Metro Area since 1988. That has been displaced by Municipal Property Tax Mugging, with $10K property tax bills on $375K houses. I'd rather give the guy my wallet at knifepoint, it's cheaper.

You forget to mention that you get all of 1400 square feet for that kind of cash.
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Originally Posted by mr_tom View Post
haha. I spent most of last year in NYC & Connecticut. Yours are just better dressed.
Touche. I've lived either in NYC or on Long Island since 1991 and I was only (attempted - it was a jolly 30 second incident on the way to the subway) mugged once! This was near Fordham road in the Bronx, when I was in high school in the 90s.

Long Island though? There are a few seedy neighborhoods but most of LI is pretty low-crime. Also, it is hard (but not impossible I admit) to get mugged from inside your car.
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All I want them to do is the prologue TT in Central Park. That's all I ask. The media/attention/money/media storm that would bring down on those Frog idiots would blow their friggin minds. God forbid they should expand their brains to include such a smart sports marketing concept. Figure out the logistics and make it happen you le morons. Make a big deal of the Paris/NY connection. It would be great for French/American relations which could use the boost. Everybody wins, NY City, the Tour, pro cycling, it would be phenomenal. NY City is somewhat bicycle crazy, the crowds would be insane. Hell, I'd go.
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