Anti-dog weapon?
11-02-11, 05:29 PM
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I keed...I like dogs too much for that...you should get a bike like wphamilton....its got a forcefield around it...
11-02-11, 05:39 PM
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Yes, it is a shame that the miscreant dog owner doesn't get some delicious D-Con goodness too.
But Charles Manson's parent's aren't in jail, Charlie is. Had someone fed him a D-Con burger sooner many people would still be alive.
I love animals as much as the next guy, mine aren't out creating a danger.
But Charles Manson's parent's aren't in jail, Charlie is. Had someone fed him a D-Con burger sooner many people would still be alive.
I love animals as much as the next guy, mine aren't out creating a danger.
11-02-11, 05:47 PM
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Why not the owner's rather than the dog's? Morons do the same thing over and over. Some people rag out their vehicles. Some don't take care of their animals. If you maim/kill theirs, they just get another and you teach them nothing. It's about as effective as thinking you can get motorists to treat you better by breaking off their mirrors.
BTW, if I ever catch anyone abusing an animal, you can be damn sure I'll make the process as expensive as I can for whoever is responsible and I'm happy to scare the crap out of kids I see tormenting animals. Defending yourself is one thing, but some people here are talking about planned attacks. A legitimate need for safety and personal defense is not a license to maim weak and stupid animals.
BTW, if I ever catch anyone abusing an animal, you can be damn sure I'll make the process as expensive as I can for whoever is responsible and I'm happy to scare the crap out of kids I see tormenting animals. Defending yourself is one thing, but some people here are talking about planned attacks. A legitimate need for safety and personal defense is not a license to maim weak and stupid animals.
I too would rather slash the throat of the errant owner, but if they have raised an animal that endangers other people, the animal needs to be put down first, then the owner.
If I find someone preemtively harming an animal, I too will treat that person as an abuser and react appropriately within the law. But once an animal has been bred to attack people, I accept that it is an animal, and that the potential human victims have a greater right to protection, so the animal is fair game for whatever I takes to maintain your, and others safety.
If you don't get that, stop eating meat, then talk to me again.....
11-02-11, 06:45 PM
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11-02-11, 07:36 PM
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I think I see the problem. This farming thing somewhere in the wilds of the eastern seaboard is too Davy Crockett for you.
For starters, you need to give up cycling. That shouldn't be hard because you can't possibly have been doing it that long. When you look at the people who've been riding a long time in areas they don't know, you'll notice that one thing they have in common is they're pretty well adjusted. They're not afraid of what's out there know how to deal with what they encounter. It's the people that ride in fear and don't know how to handle things who carry weird crap used by less than 0.1% of cyclists to protect themselves.
In terms of threats that cyclists face, dogs are extremely low on the list in terms of impact even though a lot of people are obviously afraid of them. My guess is that a huge percentage of people here know a cyclist who has been killed while riding. Practically everyone will know someone who racked up over $100K in medical expenses (possibly themselves) as a result of a bike accident. And most who've been out there for a significant amount of time have sustained a significant injury.
My guess is that the worst damage all but a very few here have suffered at the business end of a dog is cosmetic. BTW, I was off the bike for a couple weeks and it took months to get full use of my left hand back after an unfortunate dog incident last year that was not cycling related. **** happens, and we move on. And yes, I get that rural dogs are different. Most that I encounter are either well trained hunting dogs or poorly socialized "guard" dogs owned by idiots with compensation issues. I have encountered a pack or two over the years -- definitely not fun.
You are obviously afraid of dogs and can't figure them out. A real attack is a very intense experience, and throwing burger won't do a bit of good if they mean business. You can unintentionally provoke them into biting you by handling situations poorly which sounds likely in your case.
There are plenty of farmers out here, some of whom I've known as friends for many years. Pretty much all of them have guns, and they deal with the issues that go along with their business such as losing livestock to predators. Yet they don't find the need to be killing everything they encounter, though I know there are plenty of those types out here.
I recommend selling the farm and moving to a gated community where you can ride on the MUP. You should have enough cash left over to visit a plastic surgeon who can make you some man parts.
For starters, you need to give up cycling. That shouldn't be hard because you can't possibly have been doing it that long. When you look at the people who've been riding a long time in areas they don't know, you'll notice that one thing they have in common is they're pretty well adjusted. They're not afraid of what's out there know how to deal with what they encounter. It's the people that ride in fear and don't know how to handle things who carry weird crap used by less than 0.1% of cyclists to protect themselves.
In terms of threats that cyclists face, dogs are extremely low on the list in terms of impact even though a lot of people are obviously afraid of them. My guess is that a huge percentage of people here know a cyclist who has been killed while riding. Practically everyone will know someone who racked up over $100K in medical expenses (possibly themselves) as a result of a bike accident. And most who've been out there for a significant amount of time have sustained a significant injury.
My guess is that the worst damage all but a very few here have suffered at the business end of a dog is cosmetic. BTW, I was off the bike for a couple weeks and it took months to get full use of my left hand back after an unfortunate dog incident last year that was not cycling related. **** happens, and we move on. And yes, I get that rural dogs are different. Most that I encounter are either well trained hunting dogs or poorly socialized "guard" dogs owned by idiots with compensation issues. I have encountered a pack or two over the years -- definitely not fun.
You are obviously afraid of dogs and can't figure them out. A real attack is a very intense experience, and throwing burger won't do a bit of good if they mean business. You can unintentionally provoke them into biting you by handling situations poorly which sounds likely in your case.
There are plenty of farmers out here, some of whom I've known as friends for many years. Pretty much all of them have guns, and they deal with the issues that go along with their business such as losing livestock to predators. Yet they don't find the need to be killing everything they encounter, though I know there are plenty of those types out here.
I recommend selling the farm and moving to a gated community where you can ride on the MUP. You should have enough cash left over to visit a plastic surgeon who can make you some man parts.
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11-02-11, 07:49 PM
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Glad that it does. So I infer that it doesn't work for Some = All - Most
"Most" dogs are no problem as I can send them home myself without the help of a horn.
"Some" dogs ARE problem as neither I nor the horn (and similar toys) could send them home.
The question is, how to send "Some" dogs to home?
"Most" dogs are no problem as I can send them home myself without the help of a horn.
"Some" dogs ARE problem as neither I nor the horn (and similar toys) could send them home.
The question is, how to send "Some" dogs to home?
11-02-11, 08:32 PM
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One thing I find amazing about the dog issue is that many of the same guys who consider broken bones, road rash, and the like par for the course get hysterical like little girls at the prospect of a dog bite.
And yes I've been bitten so I know what it's like. I have scars on both arms and legs. There are effective ways of dealing with dogs, and even lethal methods might be necessary in extreme cases (I have never encountered such a case myself). But cruel and ineffective means are never justified.
And yes I've been bitten so I know what it's like. I have scars on both arms and legs. There are effective ways of dealing with dogs, and even lethal methods might be necessary in extreme cases (I have never encountered such a case myself). But cruel and ineffective means are never justified.
11-02-11, 08:33 PM
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I think I see the problem. This farming thing somewhere in the wilds of the eastern seaboard is too Davy Crockett for you.
For starters, you need to give up cycling. That shouldn't be hard because you can't possibly have been doing it that long. When you look at the people who've been riding a long time in areas they don't know, you'll notice that one thing they have in common is they're pretty well adjusted. They're not afraid of what's out there know how to deal with what they encounter. It's the people that ride in fear and don't know how to handle things who carry weird crap used by less than 0.1% of cyclists to protect themselves.
In terms of threats that cyclists face, dogs are extremely low on the list in terms of impact even though a lot of people are obviously afraid of them. My guess is that a huge percentage of people here know a cyclist who has been killed while riding. Practically everyone will know someone who racked up over $100K in medical expenses (possibly themselves) as a result of a bike accident. And most who've been out there for a significant amount of time have sustained a significant injury.
My guess is that the worst damage all but a very few here have suffered at the business end of a dog is cosmetic. BTW, I was off the bike for a couple weeks and it took months to get full use of my left hand back after an unfortunate dog incident last year that was not cycling related. Shti happens, and we move on. And yes, I get that rural dogs are different. Most that I encounter are either well trained hunting dogs or poorly socialized "guard" dogs owned by idiots with compensation issues. I have encountered a pack or two over the years -- definitely not fun.
You are obviously afraid of dogs and can't figure them out. A real attack is a very intense experience, and throwing burger won't do a bit of good if they mean business. You can unintentionally provoke them into biting you by handling situations poorly which sounds likely in your case.
There are plenty of farmers out here, some of whom I've known as friends for many years. Pretty much all of them have guns, and they deal with the issues that go along with their business such as losing livestock to predators. Yet they don't find the need to be killing everything they encounter, though I know there are plenty of those types out here.
I recommend selling the farm and moving to a gated community where you can ride on the MUP. You should have enough cash left over to visit a plastic surgeon who can make you some man parts.
For starters, you need to give up cycling. That shouldn't be hard because you can't possibly have been doing it that long. When you look at the people who've been riding a long time in areas they don't know, you'll notice that one thing they have in common is they're pretty well adjusted. They're not afraid of what's out there know how to deal with what they encounter. It's the people that ride in fear and don't know how to handle things who carry weird crap used by less than 0.1% of cyclists to protect themselves.
In terms of threats that cyclists face, dogs are extremely low on the list in terms of impact even though a lot of people are obviously afraid of them. My guess is that a huge percentage of people here know a cyclist who has been killed while riding. Practically everyone will know someone who racked up over $100K in medical expenses (possibly themselves) as a result of a bike accident. And most who've been out there for a significant amount of time have sustained a significant injury.
My guess is that the worst damage all but a very few here have suffered at the business end of a dog is cosmetic. BTW, I was off the bike for a couple weeks and it took months to get full use of my left hand back after an unfortunate dog incident last year that was not cycling related. Shti happens, and we move on. And yes, I get that rural dogs are different. Most that I encounter are either well trained hunting dogs or poorly socialized "guard" dogs owned by idiots with compensation issues. I have encountered a pack or two over the years -- definitely not fun.
You are obviously afraid of dogs and can't figure them out. A real attack is a very intense experience, and throwing burger won't do a bit of good if they mean business. You can unintentionally provoke them into biting you by handling situations poorly which sounds likely in your case.
There are plenty of farmers out here, some of whom I've known as friends for many years. Pretty much all of them have guns, and they deal with the issues that go along with their business such as losing livestock to predators. Yet they don't find the need to be killing everything they encounter, though I know there are plenty of those types out here.
I recommend selling the farm and moving to a gated community where you can ride on the MUP. You should have enough cash left over to visit a plastic surgeon who can make you some man parts.
Wanna come over for some burgers on the grill?
11-02-11, 08:58 PM
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fwiw I was on a charity ride once and saw two dogs in a yard we were coming up on. Dog A started chasing. I was like great, here we go. Then Dog B does something amazing - he/she runs along side charging dog A and grabs him by the collar, and STEERS HIM OFF THE ROAD away from us.
Sure you want to drop a 'dcon burger' you friggin fred? Here's a quarter - go buy some empathy.
Sure you want to drop a 'dcon burger' you friggin fred? Here's a quarter - go buy some empathy.
11-02-11, 09:14 PM
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Choices. Hmmm
https://www.pepper-spray-store.com/pr...er-spray.shtml
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You will probably need a Concealed Pistol License for 2nd option.
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You will probably need a Concealed Pistol License for 2nd option.
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11-02-11, 09:16 PM
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silca pump with metal campy head ....sends them running back home everytime
11-02-11, 09:27 PM
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Sure -- I can cook. I like those veggie burgers that come prewrapped so I'll bring a couple. I suspect you like the real thing, but I'm sure you have all the ingredients on hand...
11-02-11, 09:43 PM
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broken bones and road rash are par for the course when riding. Broken bones and road rash aren't considered par for the course when an irresponsible driver runs a light and hits a cyclist. Any dog bite is the result of an irresponsible dog owner and should never have occurred in the first place, and shouldn't be considered "par for the course".
The whole premise that poison is an instructive tool is insane. There is no particular reason to believe the owner will see the dog again, and if he does, there is even less reason to believe he'll correctly guess what happened.
Your ability to be safe depends on your ability to handle unanticipated situations. That dog is most dangerous when you don't know it's there, have only a few seconds to react, and don't know how it responds. If your method requires you to know where the dog is and how it behaves, you don't have a good way of dealing with dogs.
11-02-11, 09:44 PM
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11-02-11, 10:06 PM
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610,000 results (0.08 seconds) according to Google
Here are a few.
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From the last one:
Try again.
Here are a few.
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https://www.petstyle.com/cats/health/...-and-dogs-cats
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From the last one:
It is estimated that 10,000 dogs are poisoned each year by drinking antifreeze.
11-02-11, 10:31 PM
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There's a damned community here at a damned road with a damned dog laying around the entrance (unleashed of course) and I avoid that road. A week ago I decided to give it a retry and approached the place, paying close attention to the dog. It has seen me coming from 50 to 100 m away, got up, and did what? Took an ambushing position behind a parked car! I could see its legs under the car. I stopped and dismounted and waited, watching. It waited there behind the car for 10 seconds or so (poor bastard) and then took a few slow steps forward and came into the open. Since there's a good distance between us, I was both at the skirts of its "territory" (my guess) and out of its reach (its guess). Then it began stepping towards me, and I started to step backwards and then mounted on the bike and rode casually away, checking the bastard's reactions all the time.
I was suspecting already, but now I know that some dogs do lay ambush on approaching cyclists.
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11-02-11, 10:31 PM
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Excuse me everyone,
What on EARTH is with all of you defending those dogs that would not hesitate to take a chunk of flesh out of your arm, face or leg. I love (good) dogs as much as anyone And have owned two Rottweilers of my own (well behaved.). Many of the dogs that have fiercely tried to attack me, well let's just say I wouldn't think twice if there was a magic destruct button I could press to permanently rid the earth of such s dog.
Dogs aren't human, people. Don't uphold the same moral standard for them
Long live good dogs,
What on EARTH is with all of you defending those dogs that would not hesitate to take a chunk of flesh out of your arm, face or leg. I love (good) dogs as much as anyone And have owned two Rottweilers of my own (well behaved.). Many of the dogs that have fiercely tried to attack me, well let's just say I wouldn't think twice if there was a magic destruct button I could press to permanently rid the earth of such s dog.
Dogs aren't human, people. Don't uphold the same moral standard for them
Long live good dogs,
11-02-11, 11:13 PM
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Thank you. This has always been my plan, but I haven't had a reason to test its effectiveness myself. My logic is that I won't run the risk of crashing as I would trying to fight the dog off while moving, and the dog can bike my frame or cranks until his teeth fall out for all I care.
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