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Know what I think would be cool? Weight class competitions.

Old 03-16-09, 06:52 PM
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Know what I think would be cool? Weight class competitions.

I was on the rollers tonight listening to music and the idea popped into my head. I think it would be cool if there was a climbing competition where the classes aren't by Cat divisions or age, but instead by your weight. I think it'd be interesting for a couple of reasons. The first are the obvious changes it would make to the competition.

The second would be to see what it does for the sport. If you build it, they will come. If you put a 300 pound weight class in the competition, how many new riders would join who previously dismissed cycling as as a sport for people who might as well be horse jockeys? Perhaps more people would fall in love with the sport.

If you guys don't like this idea then feel free to transform this thread into a place to post some of the random thoughts you've had while on your rollers/trainer.
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Originally Posted by permanentjaun View Post
The second would be to see what it does for the sport. If you build it, they will come. If you put a 300 pound weight class in the competition, how many new riders would join who previously dismissed cycling as as a sport for people who might as well be horse jockeys? Perhaps more people would fall in love with the sport.

I thought we were trying to keep this club as exclusive as possible.
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MTB & Triathlon have that: Clydesdale/Athena categories. I think it should be based on BMI, not strictly weight though, as a really tall fit person can fit in those categories.
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Originally Posted by kuf View Post
MTB & Triathlon have that: Clydesdale/Athena categories. I think it should be based on BMI, not strictly weight though, as a really tall fit person can fit in those categories.
I think that would be a pretty difficult thing to enforce. I never said it would be perfect, but I think it gives that really tall fit person a better chance at equal competition than just using Cat levels where they eventually have to compete against people a few inches shorter and much slimmer who are like mountain goats.
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Originally Posted by permanentjaun View Post
I think that would be a pretty difficult thing to enforce.
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Considering that most cyclists are 155-165* that category would be a slaughtering.
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Originally Posted by CrimsonKarter21 View Post
Considering that most cyclists who race are 155-165* that category would be a slaughtering.
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Originally Posted by permanentjaun View Post
I think that would be a pretty difficult thing to enforce. I never said it would be perfect, but I think it gives that really tall fit person a better chance at equal competition than just using Cat levels where they eventually have to compete against people a few inches shorter and much slimmer who are like mountain goats.
Um, there are tall mountain goats. So, what about the short overweight people? They compete against the tall mountain goats? How is that equal competition?

BMI is definitely the way to go.
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That sounds like a pretty cool idea. However, how many clydes are there really?
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woo, go feather-weight division!
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Originally Posted by MrCrassic View Post
That sounds like a pretty cool idea. However, how many clydes are there really?

Based on the rides in which I've participated. Quite a few.

Question would be, How many Clydes are there who would actually want to race?
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Very good idea. If it happen I am not sure what I would do. I weigh in at 190-195lbs, so I would be tempted to eat a big breakfast on race day and get my weigh in up to 200lbs.
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Originally Posted by CrimsonKarter21 View Post
Considering that most cyclists are 155-165* that category would be a slaughtering.
yeah. I feel like there's probably a few people in that range that could drop.
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awesome, lets encourage Americans to get fatter...
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Not only encourage Americans to get fatter but foster mediocrity by creating a class "so everyones a winner, YEAH". Weak ****.
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Originally Posted by OnTheRivet View Post
Not only encourage Americans to get fatter but foster mediocrity by creating a class "so everyones a winner, YEAH". Weak ****.

Rah rah rah. Let's all jump on the bandwagon .

I believe the point is to create races which allow for a wider range of competitors. As it stands now, the jockeys have an obvious and overwhelming advantage in most races. This keeps a lot of people from racing. They should probably just all drop weight since everyone has the same body type, right?

I don't think it would work, but I support the spirit of getting more people involved and leveling the playing field. In a perfect world, it'd be great to have classes broken up by power/weight ratio, but again, impractical.
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Originally Posted by OnTheRivet View Post
Not only encourage Americans to get fatter but foster mediocrity by creating a class "so everyones a winner, YEAH". Weak ****.
You and the poster above sure like to look at the negative in a positive. I don't see this as encouraging americans to get fatter. Also, not everyone wins. It's still a competition.

This is the exact mentality I think it tries to stay away from. You make it sound like if you have no chance of becoming a Cat 1 then why bother even begin? I think a fat person who tries in a cycling competition has a better chance of gaining a healthier lifestyle, than someone you've dissuaded from cycling just because you don't give them a fair shot at competition. You're the enabler here.
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Permanentjaun,

Thank you. Not all of us in the Clyde category are (still) in an unhealthy lifestyle. Almost two years of changed eating, 1 year of cycling, minus 70lbs (with 60 to go) I am still squarely in Clyde zone, but have really thought about racing.

Do I know I'll get beat? Most likely. Do I want to get decimated? Not exactly. Would I enter a race in a heartbeat if I knew I was racing against like fitness riders? Definitely!

That being said, I'm still considering entering a Cat 5 race in the next week or so (Salisbury, NC crit). Just weighing the odds of breaking something vs. not having health insurance. How much is it to fix a broken bone these days anyways?

I don't think having races with larger BMI or weight classes is dumbing down the sport or giving it over to mediocrity - as you would still have to be the best in your class to win.

Just my $.02
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Not only encourage Americans to get fatter but foster mediocrity by creating a class "so everyones a winner, YEAH". Weak ****.
Be nice, or I'll sit on you.
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Let's have a minimum weight, say 210 pounds, for the rider. Anyone lighter would have to carry ballast to make up the difference.
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Originally Posted by permanentjaun View Post
I think that would be a pretty difficult thing to enforce.
Actually, BMI would be easy to enforce with a scale and a measuring tape. It's just height vs. weight. Body fat percentage would be hard to enforce.

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Let's have a minimum weight, say 210 pounds, for the rider. Anyone lighter would have to carry ballast to make up the difference.
I'd fall over!
Not to mention I already lose miserably as I am.
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Originally Posted by CollectiveInk View Post
That being said, I'm still considering entering a Cat 5 race in the next week or so (Salisbury, NC crit). Just weighing the odds of breaking something vs. not having health insurance. How much is it to fix a broken bone these days anyways?
I hope you enter that race. This is why cycling is so great: it changes people's lives.'

About insurance: I think your USA cycling license fee includes some insurance coverage for races. Can anyone else confirm this?
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Originally Posted by dunningrb View Post
I hope you enter that race. This is why cycling is so great: it changes people's lives.'

About insurance: I think your USA cycling license fee includes some insurance coverage for races. Can anyone else confirm this?
If nothing else, I thought I could pick up a major medical policy this week. At least I'd only be out the deductible - worst case. (Was needing to get one anyway.)
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I would be all over a race in a weight class. But forget racing against 5'3" 145 lb ladies. They would leave me in the dust at the bottom of the climb! Sorry but I'm hauling 60 more pounds up that hill.
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I would be all over a race in a weight class. But forget racing against 5'3" 145 lb ladies. They would leave me in the dust at the bottom of the climb! Sorry but I'm hauling 60 more pounds up that hill.
Power to weight is what matters for hills. The actual number of pounds doesn't matter, because it's part of a ratio.
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