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Campy I love you, but why Torx?

Old 03-17-09, 08:38 AM
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Campy I love you, but why Torx?

installing some new Centaur shifters and cursing Campy for using a Torx bolt. I understand it saves 2 grams maybe, and supposedly strips less- but it's less than convenient particularly where the fixing bolt is. Would it have been so hard to put the bolt on the side where it would make set-up 100 times easier?
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Torx is the future, get used to it.
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It's difficult to get the brake hood completely out of the way and get a perfect angle with the wrench going into the bolt head. A torx head has more surface area contacting the wrench and therefore makes it easier to torque down without stripping the bolt, and it also makes it easier to get it tight enough to hold when you're going into the bolt head at a slight angle because of the brake hood being in the way.

I was surprised to discover the clamping bolt was a torx head, but after thinking about it, realized there was logic in it.
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The real question is why they also use regular hex heads on other fasteners. It would be nice if they were all the same. I agree that Torx is the future!
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I think Torx is friendlier for the robots assembling things. Personally, I kinda like it. My M/C is held together almost exclusively with 'em.

Word of caution: A Torx bit a size smaller or two will often seem to fit until you give it some torque. Size your bits carefully.
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torx, it's named like that because you can put torque on the head without rounding it.
it's better than philips and allen, that's for sure.

what's a mystery is why campy uses a 2mm allen screw for the brake calliper centering adjuster. it's so easy to round the head.
not that shimano offers anything better with a phillips head.
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fine then, i'll deal with the torx, but it would be much easier if they'd just move the fixing bolt to the side.
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Totally agreed... getting the new shifters installed was a pain.
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I had little problem installing ultrashift levers, using a T-25 screwdriver. It will slip under the brake hood, just like a long handled 5mm hex wrench in the past, but I did need to roll the back edge of the hood forward so I could barely see the clamp nut, to guide the driver into the nut. The new hood presses down so firmly on the driver, that it is tougher to get it into place.

The torx head is what allows the use of aluminum fasteners with little chance of stripping. Better get used to it.
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while i'm complaining to Campy, would it be too much to ask for a quick-link? the whole guide pin deal is lame. i use the 5.9mm sram link to close things up, but it seems like a Campy could get with the program.
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+1 for the "torx is better" camp; real question should be why everyone else is using hex.

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Originally Posted by sac02 View Post
+1 for the "torx is better" camp; real question should be why everyone else is using hex.
I do find the rounded Hex bit on the Park Tool P-handled hex wrenches (or the copies) quite handy.

That and try finding a Torx < T6 if you deal with electronics... those things are a pain to find.
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while i'm complaining to Campy, would it be too much to ask for a quick-link? the whole guide pin deal is lame.
I am with you on this one. It is the only real complain I have about Campy. Maybe the only complain as I take my bike to a shop for major things.

What the heck is your avatar now? Can't quite tell. Are you still in France?
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That and try finding a Torx < T6 if you deal with electronics... those things are a pain to find.
Check out Wiha. They sell TORX drivers in every size and flavor you could want.
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That and try finding a Torx < T6 if you deal with electronics... those things are a pain to find.
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Non-trivial amount of work to actually find a Torx < T6 around a hardware store, or anywhere convenient. I know where to find them as necessary
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Non-trivial amount of work to actually find a Torx < T6 around a hardware store, or anywhere convenient. I know where to find them as necessary
I think I've heard of this mysterious hardware-store. People used to congregate there with problems, and wander the isles looking for something that they could cobble together a solution from.
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I'm mixed about Torx because of their use in electronics. On one hand, they do grip well and allow you to fasten things tighter, but on the other, unless the driver is manufactured *very* well, they strip very easily. The only Torx drivers that I used that were of decent quality were Wiha, but those are mad cash.
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The only Torx drivers that I used that were of decent quality were Wiha, but those are mad cash.
All tools cost mad cash I still need a good torque wrench, and a decent set of tools.
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I'm mixed about Torx because of their use in electronics. On one hand, they do grip well and allow you to fasten things tighter, but on the other, unless the driver is manufactured *very* well, they strip very easily. The only Torx drivers that I used that were of decent quality were Wiha, but those are mad cash.
Good tools are worth every penny. I have no problem dropping the coin to get good quality tools. They get the job done the first time.
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Torx is dead. How about Torx-Plus.....
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triple square or robertson

screws that allow cam out are usually designed so you don't over tighten them and strip the threads.
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Originally Posted by nitropowered View Post
Good tools are worth every penny. I have no problem dropping the coin to get good quality tools. They get the job done the first time.
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To install the new Campy shifters don't roll back the brake hood like when you wrap the bars, go through the front of the hood adjacent to the lever with a long torx driver. Easy as pie.

It's Worked on 3 11-speed gruppos so far.
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