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SRAM Red: Lighter, cheaper...

Old 04-07-09, 02:44 PM
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SRAM Red: Lighter, cheaper...

...why go Dura Ace?

What gives?
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Dura Ace chainrings are stronger. At least, they were stronger than 1G Red chainrings. Don't know about the current generation.
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it's tradition!
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because if you don't put DA7900 on your frame, then you'd be under the UCI legal weight limit.


that or because you like mixing and matching the best of both worlds.
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Campagnolo is tradition.
Shimano is going to have to get used to the fact that in the upcoming years SRAM is going to take a big bite out of their profits.
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cheaper than 7800 da? guess i haven;t been paying attention.

otherwise, i am tempted to switch the next time i'm looking to buy new gear (even if sram shifting is clunky compared to pre-7900 shimano)

obviously, i'd stick with DA cranks.
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Originally Posted by ecp8 View Post
Campagnolo was the tradition.
Shimano is going to have to get used to the fact that in the upcoming years SRAM is going to take a big bite out of their profits.
corrected.
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MSRP for 2009 SRAM Red: $1,680
MSRP for 2009 DuraAce 7900: $2,600
MSRP for 2009 SuperRecord: $2,650
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Originally Posted by botto View Post
cheaper than 7800 da? guess i haven;t been paying attention.

otherwise, i am tempted to switch the next time i'm looking to buy new gear (even if sram shifting is clunky compared to pre-7900 shimano)


obviously, i'd stick with DA cranks.
DA cranks with SRAM Red is butter.
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honestly, i love the hood shape of the da7800
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Originally Posted by pdedes View Post
honestly, i love the hood shape of the da7800
Hurts my hands after years of Campy and SRAM but I'm adjusting.
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Ans: 'Cause I just can't come to love double tap shifting. No matter how hard I try.
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Originally Posted by SushiJoe View Post
Hurts my hands after years of Campy and SRAM but I'm adjusting.
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Ans: 'Cause I just can't come to love double tap shifting. No matter how hard I try.
I saw a bunch of buzzwords on sram's site...what's double tap?
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Originally Posted by botto View Post
I bought Force its first year [used from 2006 - 2009].

EDIT: I've used Campy since the early 2000s. Only had Shimano on my very first road bike once I got back into action. And that was for less than a year.
(My word choice was somewhat unclear.)

EDIT of the Edit: Or was it 2007 for Force?
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I saw how strong those Red chains were at the ToF.
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Eff it! My point is that the "dip" and "bulb" hurts my hands.
BUT I'm readjusting (since I put 7800 on my Seven).
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Campy tempts me, i'll be buying one of the three group sets for my S1 build. I was looking at whatever I could get on Pro Bike Kit (no sram) but also looked at the regular prices at Competitive Cyclist and was surprised to see Red cheaper and lighter. I think I might avoid Campy just for convenience in finding spares, and last minute or emergency parts like chains and cassettes.

Not sure in the end if it's smart to put chorus, red or da 7900 on a bike mainly used for crits maybe i should go ultegra idk.
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Originally Posted by Ratfish View Post
I saw a bunch of buzzwords on sram's site...what's double tap?
Something people discuss in the forum but probably have never tried. SRAM is the Vincent Lauria of the cycling world coming to take down Tiagra's marker.

On that note, I'm going riding, see you in 3 hours...
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Originally Posted by fauxto nick View Post
...why go Dura Ace?

What gives?
Because Uncle Pcad told you not to chintz out, that's why.
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Originally Posted by BustaQuad View Post
I saw how strong those Red chains were at the ToF.
Fabian is a beast. Don't confuse him with the chain...
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Originally Posted by SushiJoe View Post
DA cranks with SRAM Red is butter.
Spare me your Mutt Gruppo Heretic Blasphemy.
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Spare me your Mutt Gruppo Heretic Blasphemy.
The only problem it posed is that, when I went to make it so I could use my PowerTap on my training and racing bike, I had to take apart 3 bikes and put them all back together because of all the mixing I did.
All is status quo once again. The planets of Shimano, Campy and SRAM have realigned. (At least in my stable.)
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Originally Posted by fauxto nick View Post
...why go Dura Ace?

What gives?

Because lighter isn't always better. My observation is that SRAM is trying to shave every gram with no consideration of the consequences.

SRAM has Al set screws on the derailleurs that strip easily. SRAM has a Ti FD cages that many would say is too light and flimsy. That's why you see the pro teams using Force FDs. And SRAM has underbuild the Red chainrings so that the folded up, although that is supposed to be fixed now. SRAM had a CPSC recall on Force brakes because the bolts were too flimsy. Oh, and now we also have snapping chains.

I KNOW I can move Dura Ace parts to my tandem after I am done with them on my single and they will be tough enough to do the job. I'd be stark raving mad to attempt to put SRAM Red parts on my tandem.
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I think the answer to OP's question is just buy a used S1 and save a metric f#$%ton of money, no matter what groupset it has.
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