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system 6 vs super six
Hi, if you have a choice between a system six and super six with the same components, which one you choose?? and if you want why???
and between the new sram red BB30 crankset and the 2007 or 2008 SI (not the SL 2009) cannondale crankset, which one you choose?? thanks |
System Six's suck and only idiots with mustaches and terrible taste in glasses like them.
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If you're looking for a US style race bike, the System Six. It's their stiffest frame, at least until the point where they stopped making them.
The aluminum rear stays are also reasonably durable. I met someone who had a cracked rear SuperSix stay and he'd never crashed the bike. He said that given the choice he'd get a SystemSix. I have a SystemSix and I'm happy with it. Durable, responsive, utilitarian - I don't baby it but the bike is fine. On cranks, I don't know how stiff the Red cranks are, but the SIs are pretty stiff. However SIs are only available up to 175s - if you want longer, get the Red. cdr |
system six , stiff as truck and light, and si crank lighter and stiffer than anything fsa makes or the sram red with a smaller q facter
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Originally Posted by carpediemracing
(Post 8739010)
If you're looking for a US style race bike, the System Six. It's their stiffest frame, at least until the point where they stopped making them.
The aluminum rear stays are also reasonably durable. I met someone who had a cracked rear SuperSix stay and he'd never crashed the bike. He said that given the choice he'd get a SystemSix. I have a SystemSix and I'm happy with it. Durable, responsive, utilitarian - I don't baby it but the bike is fine. On cranks, I don't know how stiff the Red cranks are, but the SIs are pretty stiff. However SIs are only available up to 175s - if you want longer, get the Red. cdr |
The white/red Super Six is HOT! If it were my money I'd get a System Six but then again I'm the one who spent too much money on a CAAD9. Besides all these stories about cracked Super Sixes are scaring me...
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As long as my car doesn't explode I should be riding a System Six by this weekend and owning it by the 8th of april.
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Originally Posted by fauxto nick
(Post 8738418)
System Six's suck and only idiots with mustaches and terrible taste in glasses like them.
But really, I'm getting tired of all these SIX threads. Why don't we talk about the Tarmac for a change... :crash: I think they are similar enough, just get whichever one looks worse aesthetically, then subconsciously you'll pedal harder and go faster so bystanders can't get a good look of your ugly bike. |
System Six fan here...and don't let any suggestions of roughness on long rides be an issue...about 2 weeks ago I went for a century on mine and I was fine...no feeling of being beaten up whatsoever. Awesome bike...
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Is the SystemSix the same as the current Six Carbon?
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Originally Posted by sheddle
(Post 8740160)
Is the SystemSix the same as the current Six Carbon?
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the 8th of april, of what year?. hope by 2010
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Originally Posted by sheddle
(Post 8740160)
Is the SystemSix the same as the current Six Carbon?
As was mentioned, the System Six was al and carbon. |
Originally Posted by ninjanoir78
(Post 8738409)
Hi, if you have a choice between a system six and super six with the same components, which one you choose?? and if you want why???
and between the new sram red BB30 crankset and the 2007 or 2008 SI (not the SL 2009) cannondale crankset, which one you choose?? thanks |
What about 6-13 ?
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A quick run down on the Sixes:
Six13 - standard CAAD9 (or whatever) with carbon tubes replacing the top and down tube. Heaviest and flexiest of the lot. Standard bearings top and bottom (1 1/8") SystemSix - top, down, and head tubes are carbon, bonded (in the same fashion as a Six13 - click-and-glue-together looking joint) to a standard CAAD9 (or whatever) rear stay assembly. Stiffest of the frames Cannondale made, headtube was designed for two (2!) 1 1/2" bearings. Since no one made 1 1/2" stems, there is a 1 1/8" spacer thing so you can use a normal stem (and a tapered steerer tube fork, which is what comes on it). About 1100 grams. SuperSix - An improved SystemSix front end which is tailed by an all new carbon rear stay assembly. Not sure how it's made but by saying "assembly" I'm not implying that there are two halves which are then joined, it's just that the front end is similar to the SystemSix. Loses about 1/2 pound or 200g to a SystemSix. Tapered headtube, 1 1/8" top, 1 1/2" bottom. The above three are/were made in the US. The various new Six frames - I think front end similar to the Synapse (geometry and design). Taller headtube, slightly more aero looking tubes. Made in Taiwan. Quality control is tight from what I understand. Geometry sucks for me because of my ape-like torso:leg ratio. I need a short head tube and a long top tube, and only the first US made Six frames work for me geometry wise. Unless they release new mid-year frames, all the new Six frames (like Six Carbon) have the tall headtube geometry. Only the CAAD9 and SuperSix have the short headtube geometry (as do the now-discontinued Six13 and SystemSix). cdr |
Small correction until Six13, but otherwise an awesome write-up.
Originally Posted by carpediemracing
(Post 8741228)
A quick run down on the Sixes:
Six13 - standard CAAD9 (or whatever) with carbon tubes replacing the top and down tube. Heaviest and flexiest of the lot. Standard bearings top and bottom (1 1/8") *Taller Head-Tube for '08 models with bonded carbon tubes instead or interlocked *Seat tube was also carbon in the first year of production I believe. SystemSix - top, down, and head tubes are carbon, bonded (in the same fashion as a Six13 - click-and-glue-together looking joint) to a standard CAAD9 (or whatever) rear stay assembly. Stiffest of the frames Cannondale made, headtube was designed for two (2!) 1 1/2" bearings. Since no one made 1 1/2" stems, there is a 1 1/8" spacer thing so you can use a normal stem (and a tapered steerer tube fork, which is what comes on it). About 1100 grams. SuperSix - An improved SystemSix front end which is tailed by an all new carbon rear stay assembly. Not sure how it's made but by saying "assembly" I'm not implying that there are two halves which are then joined, it's just that the front end is similar to the SystemSix. Loses about 1/2 pound or 200g to a SystemSix. Tapered headtube, 1 1/8" top, 1 1/2" bottom. The above three are/were made in the US. The various new Six frames - I think front end similar to the Synapse (geometry and design). Taller headtube, slightly more aero looking tubes. Made in Taiwan. Quality control is tight from what I understand. Geometry sucks for me because of my ape-like torso:leg ratio. I need a short head tube and a long top tube, and only the first US made Six frames work for me geometry wise. Unless they release new mid-year frames, all the new Six frames (like Six Carbon) have the tall headtube geometry. Only the CAAD9 and SuperSix have the short headtube geometry (as do the now-discontinued Six13 and SystemSix). cdr |
someone told me the system 6 2007 and 2008 are not the same, 2007 was made with carbon HI-modulus and 2008 inter-modulus.. so it's supposed to be less stiff... what do you think about that, we can see or feel the difference??
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As I understand it, the two frames ought to ride about the same. In 2008 they use some hi-mod carbon to lighten up the frame a bit - they have the same stiffness/efficiency but the 08 is lighter by a bit.
cdr |
Dude, stop posting the same threads again and again.
They're both good frames and you won't out perform either. Just buy a damn bike already if you even want one. |
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