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Is crash replacement/warranty worth it?

Old 04-20-09, 06:51 PM
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Is crash replacement/warranty worth it?

I'm looking at purchasing a carbon complete bike for about $3300 new from a shop on sale, at the same time I've found almost exactly the same bike used and in great condition for $900 less firm. I contacted Cannondale and they told me a used bike doesn't have warranty or crash replacement, it's only good for the original owner.

My question is for you guys is the $900 worth having the warranty and crash replacement (this bike will see a ton of racing), I personally like knowing I have that sort of support and I hear Cannondale's crash replacement is awesome. Just curious what ya'll think.
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Cost of replacing the bike- the cost of replacing the bike with crash replacement program discounted by the appropriate discount rate over the time period that the replacement is likely to occur divided by the probability of ever using the crash replacement benefit vs. $900 cash on the barrel head.

You need some numbers and assumptions to plug into the formula, or follow your Momma's advice: Bird in the Hand is worth 2 in the bush. Take the money now.

Or since BF cliches are in fashion today: Do not insure against a risk you can afford to absorb.

Hope this clears it up.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Cost of replacing the bike- the cost of replacing the bike with crash replacement program discounted by the appropriate discount rate over the time period that the replacement is likely to occur divided by the probability of ever using the crash replacement benefit vs. $900 cash on the barrel head.

You need some numbers and assumptions to plug into the formula, or follow your Momma's advice: Bird in the Hand is worth 2 in the bush. Take the money now.

Or since BF cliches are in fashion today: Do not insure against a risk you can afford to absorb.

Hope this clears it up.
Sort of. I have the money for neither right now frankly, I should in about a month and a half. The LBS is doing a lay away and holding the bike for me since they don't make them anymore and it's the last (System Six), so I could risk the LBS selling the system six and try and get the cash together for the Craig's list one in time or I could secure the LBS one. I have a feeling I'll go with the LBS one but I was just curious.
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I'm curious what Cannondale replaces the System Six with in a warranty or crash replacement situation, if it's a Six that sucks.
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Honestly, I'd just get a used one if this is what it comes to.

I'm not sure you'd even get a new frame for 900 under crash replacement. A CAAD9 frame is like 400 or 500.

But the real deal is the CAAD9, just go for that already. Gawd.
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Originally Posted by fauxto nick
The LBS is doing a lay away and holding the bike for me
If you agreed to buy the bike from them you should follow through on your commitment.
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I know a few people who have benefited greatly from crash replacement policies lately. One from Cannondale and LOOK, and another from Specialized. It seems that whenever something bad happens, they end-up with a better bike than they started with. WTF... I've been trying to break my bike for a while now. It just won't die!
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keep in mind if you crash your bike the odds are you'll only end up replacing some parts on the bike, not every single part.
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I bought a Cannondale in 1986 and still had the original receipt and owners manual with the $150 lifetime frame replacement guarantee. Reorganization will void any such warranty. Ask me how I know.
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Originally Posted by StupidlyBrave
If you agreed to buy the bike from them you should follow through on your commitment.
I haven't put my down payment yet.
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It's funny, it's a $4799 bike and I'm getting it for $3360.. I always said over the last year and a half I'd have no problem spending upwards of 5k on a bike because I spend so much of my time on the bike. Now I'm sitting here about to pull the trigger on laying away a 3k bike and it's a lot more intense than I thought it would be.
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Originally Posted by mollusk
I bought a Cannondale in 1986 and still had the original receipt and owners manual with the $150 lifetime frame replacement guarantee. Reorganization will void any such warranty. Ask me how I know.
so....how do you know so much?
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Don't race what you can't replace.

Go for the LBS.
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Originally Posted by fauxto nick
It's funny, it's a $4799 bike and I'm getting it for $3360.. I always said over the last year and a half I'd have no problem spending upwards of 5k on a bike because I spend so much of my time on the bike. Now I'm sitting here about to pull the trigger on laying away a 3k bike and it's a lot more intense than I thought it would be.
You need to make more money, but then you'd have less time to ride.

Captain Obvious to the rescue.
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Originally Posted by fauxto nick
I'm looking at purchasing a carbon complete bike for about $3300 new from a shop on sale, at the same time I've found almost exactly the same bike used and in great condition for $900 less firm. I contacted Cannondale and they told me a used bike doesn't have warranty or crash replacement, it's only good for the original owner.

My question is for you guys is the $900 worth having the warranty and crash replacement (this bike will see a ton of racing), I personally like knowing I have that sort of support and I hear Cannondale's crash replacement is awesome. Just curious what ya'll think.
Buy the used one. Most often, crash replacement and warranty work are at the discretion of the bike shop. You would probably have a touch time getting a used bike fixed under warranty, but you probably would find a shop that would do the crash replacement.
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Well I wouldn't have the $2500 crash for about a month so I don't think I can take the chance on the craigs list. Probably will just go wtih the lay away plan.
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You'd be crazy to race a $3300 bike.
I have less than half that in my Time and if I crack the frame I'll throw the parts on a CAAD9 and call it good.

It was a little before your time, I think, but go back and read some of Dr. Pete's old threads about his beautiful Pinarello F4:13 and how he crashed and broke it in a race. He replaced it with a CAAD8 and loved it.
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Originally Posted by MONGO!
You'd be crazy to race a $3300 bike.
I have less than half that in my Time and if I crack the frame I'll throw the parts on a CAAD9 and call it good.

It was a little before your time, I think, but go back and read some of Dr. Pete's old threads about his beautiful Pinarello F4:13 and how he crashed and broke it in a race. He replaced it with a CAAD8 and loved it.
Well the frame isn't a 3300 frame, I think the System Six frames retailed at 1700 which is a bit more than I expected to race on but not an ape **** amount. If the unfortunate happened I could always throw the parts of this frame on a CAAD9, I'm loving this bike because of the group set, wheels, and such. That being said I see what you're saying.
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Seriously, if I was to spend anything like that on a race rig it would have Zipp 404's on it.

The rest just doesn't matter that much, 105 vs Dura Ace or Rival vs Red won't make you faster.

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Race what you can afford. I've had experience throwing down BIG BUCKS for a bike from a shop. Raced it 1/2 a season because it broke in half in a race when a dude in front of me went down.

Crash replacement was way less than MSRP, but still cost an arm and a leg...almost as much as the "team deal" I bought the original from....so much for an affordable crash replacement.

I've gone used ever since and way better deals can be had....especially if you're looking at Cannondales. Those get flipped and trickled down by so many people, the frames can be had for dirt cheap.

After my "boutique" frameset broke in half, I ended up with a used Six13 and now rock a used System Six. Let's just say I picked up both of those bikes (complete Six13 bike and System Six frameset) for about the same price as what it would have cost for a crash replacement "deal" for my original frameset...
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Well I see what you guys are saying, I'm not buying this because I think it's going to make me much faster I'm buying it because I know it will be more comfortable to train on and will fit me better and yes it will be a bit more efficient to race on. If I think a race is going to be extra sketchy I frankly probably wouldn't bring this bike, I'll race my 1500.

Also at the same time I won't be racing this bike with the Ksyrium's those are worth what about a grand so takes the value of what I'm racing down to about 2300. Then I figure if I crashed and broke the frame I'm not going to destroy every component on the bike so say I crash and have my drive train, handlebars, seat post, to put on a new frame that's about what 1500-2000 worth of equipment.

So maybe I'm getting a bit far out there but if you subtract a rough idea of what the parts that would probably survive a crash which would be worth I'd have to say near a $1000 since this is a DA bike. Then take $1000 off for the ksyriums i won't be racing and I'm looking at $1000-1500 of potential loses in a race crash out of my initial investment if that makes any sense. So in the end it's not like I'm going to lose 2k or 3k worth of an investment in a crash and if I do that would be one hell of a wreck! If I broke this yah it'd suck and I'd probably just hunt ebay for a Six13 or Super Six frame set. I'm not loaded, but I'm in a nice position in life where i have low rent, no g/f, and very little financial responsibility outside of feeding myself, putting shelter over my head and a student loan payment, that might not be the case in the near future so I'm going to enjoy it while I have it

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Might want to look at this https://classifieds.roadbikereview.co...=14585&cat=all
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Damn that 2400 used Super Six I found has a compact and it's bb30 so tack on another 200-250 for a new crank, bummer. I think I'm just going to stick with the lay away so I don't have to force myself into any financial hard ship to get the bike.
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Originally Posted by fauxto nick
Damn that 2400 used Super Six I found has a compact and it's bb30 so tack on another 200-250 for a new crank, bummer. I think I'm just going to stick with the lay away so I don't have to force myself into any financial hard ship to get the bike.
Or buy bigger 110 BCD rings. Or buy that Team Soloist for 1300.
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Or buy bigger 110 BCD rings. Or buy that Team Soloist for 1300.
Dude I'd way rather go with a Super Six, I'm still going to test ride the S1 this week because i have an e-ride scheduled but i think i'm pretty sold on the SS. I dig that it has a carbon rear end where if i go down or get rear ended I think that will hold up a little bit better.
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