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Old 04-21-09, 08:52 PM
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Nightmare on Fred Street

I am just getting into cycling (or trying to) and I want to train solo for a while and eventually ride in pacelines. My friend got me looking at cervelos and BMCs and such. but I wanted a cheap enough bike to not worry too much about falling and scratching stuff. I was deadset on pulling the trigger on the BMC steetfire but I couldn't find any in my size.

I ended up getting a bike from BD for a few reasons: I think I would like the SRAM components it comes with. The price was right, and I don't want to be the newb with a highend Cervelo.

Couple questions:

Which would catch more flak, a newb on a "cheapo" BD bike or a newb with a Cervelo/BMC/Pinarello?

Did I make a mistake in picking a BD frame in hopes of transfering parts to a better frame later?
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Work on good form, fitness and speed, and ride what you have as much as you can. All the stress over hardware is much less real than how you feel once you are out covering ground.
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Old 04-21-09, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by daxr
Work on good form, fitness and speed, and ride what you have as much as you can. All the stress over hardware is much less real than how you feel once you are out covering ground.
This.

And if you meet up with good people (they are out there. lots of them, really!) they mostly couldn't care less about what bike you're riding, aside from kinship/comparing notes if you're riding the same thing.
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Thanks for the reassurance guys!

I'm just a self conscience person, I always feel whenever I make a mistake that dozens of people are looking at me(it's never the case). But I'm from a small town, so seeing other riders could be a rarity.

A nice thing is that I have a 1/2 mile track near my house and no one is ever on it. So I can make all the mistakes there I want without anyone seeing

The bike might come in friday, but probably next week. When I get it up and running and I train well enough, and if I still enjoy cycling, I can snipe a used "name-brand" frame on ebay or craigslist (talking maybe 6-months-a year from now). I should be able to transfer most of my parts to a new frame if I plan ahead, correct?
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Originally Posted by darkhand
Thanks for the reassurance guys!

I'm just a self conscience person, I always feel whenever I make a mistake that dozens of people are looking at me(it's never the case).
Ride whatever the hell you want. Depending on how much you ride, you will most likely crash or get hit in some way, shape, or form. So if you are concerned about crashing a nice bike, it's probably a good idea not to ride a nice bike.

Mistakes are made to learn from. If you don't learn then people will stop riding with you. You probably will learn or quit, whichever comes first.

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Everyone's offered great advice so far.

Mine is in a similar vein:

Ride, ride, ride, ride. It's hard to take someone seriousely who looks down on you or your bike when you can dust them in a ride, or at least keep up and in the pack with them against their $7,000 bike.

Strong riding skills are apparent whether you are on a custom one-of bike or BD.

Then again, I think little of folks who judge others on how they look or what they ride.

As long as you are out on your bike is all that matters.
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Old 04-21-09, 11:06 PM
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Can't agree enough with the comments about not worrying about what you ride. There's a lot of flaming here and most is in good fun so just focus on riding.
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Originally Posted by darkhand

A nice thing is that I have a 1/2 mile track near my house and no one is ever on it. So I can make all the mistakes there I want without anyone seeing
Are you talking about a velodrome or a running track? It's probably not the best idea to ride on a running track.
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I think the same can be said of dedicated cyclists that I've noticed among dedicated drivers (think of the guys that do a lot of autocrossing, track days, HPDEs, etc):

They respect the passion you bring, regardless of the vehicle. Assuming the vehicle isn't dangerous and you aren't either, and you've checked your ego at the door, you're usually more than welcome. It doesn't matter if you're driving a C6 Vette or a 91 Miata. Most remember that they didn't have all the answers starting out either. (Of course, this is heresy on BF.)

There are more parallels to be found there, but I think you might get the idea.
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Old 04-21-09, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by permanentjaun
Are you talking about a velodrome or a running track? It's probably not the best idea to ride on a running track.
It's basically a wide asphalt sidewalk, not the foamy running track material. Is that a problem?

Ps. thanks everyone for the inspiration
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I have a Mercier Serpens that is donating many of its parts to a BMC Road Racer frame, so I think you'll be fine. I might not be able to sell the frame and wheelset from the Serpens for anything, but I'm doing the build for fun and education. Plus, it's the only way I'm going to be able to afford that BMC in the next year or so.

I feel a little self-conscious when I show up to races on my TT bike (Fuji Aloha CF-2), when I'm a fat, old, slow guy. But then again, it's a blast to ride and it does make me faster. That's what it's all about, isn't it- how it makes me feel?

Maybe I'll enter a few more races, even ones that aren't time trials. Maybe I'll work just a little harder and listen to all of the books and videos that I've bought about diet and training. Maybe I'll push through the pain and gasping for air and looking like a drooling idiot to make that next level. Maybe that's what it takes to earn the right to ride it.

Whatever. I bought it, I ride it, I like it.

Maybe I'll ignore the people snickering behind my back and lay whatever I have down on the course. If it isn't enough for them... well, the only person I'm answering to is me. I know if I did everything I could on that day or wussed out. That's all that matters to me.

Whatever bike you have, realize it's more about the engine than anything else. You're getting a solid ride, so that excuse is out the window. The rest is up to you.
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Op, so what bike did you get? Your original post defined your new bike purchase in negative terms (i.e. what you didn't get). By the way, pics are appreciated on this forum when you ANNOUNCE a new bike. Have fun. Rock on. Good luck.
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Ordered the black Motto Le Champion with SRAM components. I am happy with what I ordered, my friend i think will be disappointed, oh well.
Will post pics when it comes in and I set that baby up. I might flip it, if you're lucky.
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Originally Posted by darkhand
I might flip it, if you're lucky.
The force is strong with this one.
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Old 04-22-09, 04:43 AM
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Hehe, looks like they shipped it pretty quick; ordered on monday morning. Package is less than an hour away but UPS probably won't come around until 5pm today. The worst part my pedals and shoes haven't even been shipped yet (still processing)
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Give us a pic or two when you get it together.
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I don't know how much assembly is required with BD bikes, but if you're new to the sport, it might be a good idea to have someone help you, or at least have someone else look it over afterwards to make sure everything is tight and properly adjusted. Be sure you understand how to use the wheel's quick release levers properly & tighten them enough.
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Originally Posted by darkhand
Ordered the black Motto Le Champion with SRAM components. I am happy with what I ordered, my friend i think will be disappointed, oh well.
Will post pics when it comes in and I set that baby up. I might flip it, if you're lucky.
thats preposterous.

let's not forget where road bikes have gone in the last few decades. i got into road riding a few years ago on my steel panasonic with friction shifters. it was all i knew so it was great. my current road bike has sora components, with brifters of course. this is such a huge leap forward from friction shifters its phenomenal, but i didnt know what i was missing until i tried them.

there will ALWAYS be something nicer than what you have. almost all modern road bikes with name brand (sram shimano campy) components will ride and shift excellently. as long as the bike fits its going to be way more than you need at a beginner level.
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It is the engine not the frame that you need to focus on.

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wow, that bike looks great !!

congrats. =)
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wow, that bike looks great !!

congrats. =)

I agree, and it ought to serve you quite well until you feel the need to upgrade to something else. In the meantime, concentrate on getting in miles, and more importantly, enjoy yourself!

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While I've heard of them (BD) from mountain bike forums and from here at BF I never bothered to look at their bikes and specs. That is an incredible deal. The Force group is d@mn near the completes price. You will be able to transfer to a new frame if and when you feel necessary. Now get out and ride. We spend too much time dinking around here over these things (posting this while I have my morning coffee).
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Originally Posted by darkhand
Ordered the black Motto Le Champion with SRAM components. I am happy with what I ordered, my friend i think will be disappointed, oh well.
Will post pics when it comes in and I set that baby up. I might flip it, if you're lucky.
I have that same bike. I bought mine back in November of 2007 with the same intentions of upgrading to a better frame at some point. However, now after a year and a half, I really don't see the point in replacing the frame. Ignore the BD haters; there's nothing fundamentally wrong with your (my) bike. Provided nothing arrives broken or defective, I doubt that you will be disappointed.

That being said, I've had a few relatively minor issues with mine:
1. The stock tires felt really sluggish to me. I replaced those first thing.
2. I didn't like the drape of the brake and derailleur cable housings. I trimmed those up to my liking.
3. The Ritchey WCS Protocol wheelset came equipped with aluminum spoke nipples. I had a spoke nipple on the rear wheel fail in tension while I was riding. It could have been a poorly tensioned spoke (which I doubt), or a defective nipple. No matter, I have since replaced all of the aluminum nipples with brass.
4. The stock saddle was not comfortable at all for me. I replaced it with something better.
5. The stem came "un-flipped". I took care of that

Enjoy your new ride!
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Originally Posted by darkhand
Couple questions:

Which would catch more flak, a newb on a "cheapo" BD bike or a newb with a Cervelo/BMC/Pinarello
Whichever one is worse at riding.

Seriously, the only person the name on your downtube matters to is you.
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