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Can I use Reynolds Carbon specific pads on Zipp Tular carbon rims

Old 04-23-09, 02:19 AM
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Can I use Reynolds Carbon specific pads on Zipp Tular carbon rims

I am planning to buy Zipp 404 tubulars, I am using reynolds carbon pads...are they compatible?
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Old 04-23-09, 03:37 AM
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I'd say try them out. Shouldn't be any issues. If they suck, just get some SwissStop yellow king pads.
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I think that the Reynolds pads are SwissStop yellows...

They should be fine.
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what umd said.
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
I think that the Reynolds pads are SwissStop yellows...

They should be fine.
Mine are/were.
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I've used them on zipp and easton carbon wheels w/o any problems. Mine are Dura type and black fwiw...I didn't know the Reynolds were Swissstops? Just black in color rather than yellow?
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Are you guys saying that the black reynols carbon pads are SS yellow compound?
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^ lol guess I should have read the last post. You stole my question.
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They've probably sourced different pads at different times. I thought I've heard people actually getting the yellow pads with them. Maybe I'm wrong...
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Originally Posted by grom View Post
I didn't know the Reynolds were Swissstops? Just black in color rather than yellow?
The pads that shipped with my reynolds were standard swissstop yellow, yellow in color.
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They are made out of the exact same material as the Zipp ones. Zipp, Reynolds, and Swiss pads are identical.
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Originally Posted by Zen Cyclery View Post
They are made out of the exact same material as the Zipp ones. Zipp, Reynolds, and Swiss pads are identical.
Wow! This is good info! I did a quick search and the Reynolds (Campy type) can be found much cheaper than the Swissstops or Zipps.
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Originally Posted by grom View Post
Wow! This is good info! I did a quick search and the Reynolds (Campy type) can be found much cheaper than the Swissstops or Zipps.
I have an entire box of Reynolds pads... Will never buy Swissstops or Zipps ever again!
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Originally Posted by Zen Cyclery View Post
They are made out of the exact same material as the Zipp ones. Zipp, Reynolds, and Swiss pads are identical.
Maybe at some point in the past this was true, but I don't think this is true with current versions of these pads.

There was a review of carbon climbing wheels in an issue of VeloNews last year (vol 37, no. 14), that also compared braking performance using the stock pads and using SwissStop yellow pads where appropriate. The stock Zipp pads on Zipp 202s were considered borderline dangerous, whereas the braking performance with SwissStop yellow pads was considered among the best.

I have a set of the Zipp pads for my 202s, and I was surprised to find how much had melted away on a couple of rides in the local hills. I have a set of SwissStop yellow pads on order, which I intend to install as soon as they arrive.
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Originally Posted by Zen Cyclery View Post
They are made out of the exact same material as the Zipp ones. Zipp, Reynolds, and Swiss pads are identical.
Sorry to say but that is completely incorrect.

I can't comment on the Reynolds pads versus Swiss Stops as I haven't bothered to send them off to a lab, but our pads are made by Kool Stop with a proprietary compound including carbon pitch that is sourced from the remnants of the manufacturing process for F1 brake rotors. The end result is a pad that conducts head better than any pad we've tested, coming in at about 30 degrees cooler than the standard Kool Stop black pad and about 60 degrees cooler than the Swiss Stop pads in our lab testing. The Phonak boys used the Swiss Stop pads at first and found out first-hand that while they provide good stopping power initially, they can be a bit grabby and have a more serious potential consequence in high-speed descents. They actually can melt onto the surface of the rim as our rims have less mass at the braking surface than the Reynolds and hence become hotter given the same braking input (this is also an issue with the Campagnolo pads). Once this happens, the pad material left on the rim further insulates and exacerbates the thermal dissipation issues (and is nearly impossible to remove). Also, we've found some consumers experience some pulsation issues with Swiss Stop pads that is remedied by switching to either our pad or something like the Bontrager cork-based pads.

Our pads may wear a bit faster than the Kool Stops but we believe that for users that will be descending the improved modulation and thermal dissipation are preferential.
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I'm so confused now. Has anybody used the black Reynolds carbon pads with aluminum rims? ..I guess I should just order a set of the King Yellows for my DV46c's and be done with it...
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I use baradine pads on my Reynolds Assaults, and it works really well. They are a dark brown color.
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Originally Posted by Jay Olson View Post
Maybe at some point in the past this was true, but I don't think this is true with current versions of these pads.

There was a review of carbon climbing wheels in an issue of VeloNews last year (vol 37, no. 14), that also compared braking performance using the stock pads and using SwissStop yellow pads where appropriate. The stock Zipp pads on Zipp 202s were considered borderline dangerous, whereas the braking performance with SwissStop yellow pads was considered among the best.

I have a set of the Zipp pads for my 202s, and I was surprised to find how much had melted away on a couple of rides in the local hills. I have a set of SwissStop yellow pads on order, which I intend to install as soon as they arrive.
This was a bit of a misconception borne out of a lack of familiarity with the design of our pads. Matt was concerned with the pad shedding hot material, as evidenced by the small tail of material on the pad depicted in the article photo. However, the intent is that the pad sheds hot material instead of melting, this little tail results. He assumed this was related to pad melting and believed the pads showed exceedingly high wear relative to the other pads, but if you refer again to the pictures in the article, there is considerable wear remaining in the pads. The pad is considered worn out when the grooves in the surface of the pad are no longer visible; these grooves are located at the midline of the Zipp/Kool Stop logo on the pad. In the pictures in the article you can see that the wear has not even reached the top of this text, which means that they have at least 1.5 mm of additional wear remaining. Considering that the pads have 1.75 mm of usable thickness when new, the pads he determined were completely worn out in fact were at most 15-20% used. If you talk with Matt, he'll be the first to tell you that he thought they functioned well but was unnerved by his perception of excessive wear.

Velonews was supposed to print this information as well as a response to some of the issues we have with their aerodynamic testing methodology in the same article (single run data, unrealistic effective yaw angle, etc.), but I can't say I've had a chance to verify that they ever did so.

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Originally Posted by Waldo View Post
Sorry to say but that is completely incorrect.

I can't comment on the Reynolds pads versus Swiss Stops as I haven't bothered to send them off to a lab, but our pads are made by Kool Stop with a proprietary compound including carbon pitch that is sourced from the remnants of the manufacturing process for F1 brake rotors. The end result is a pad that conducts head better than any pad we've tested, coming in at about 30 degrees cooler than the standard Kool Stop black pad and about 60 degrees cooler than the Swiss Stop pads in our lab testing. The Phonak boys used the Swiss Stop pads at first and found out first-hand that while they provide good stopping power initially, they can be a bit grabby and have a more serious potential consequence in high-speed descents. They actually can melt onto the surface of the rim as our rims have less mass at the braking surface than the Reynolds and hence become hotter given the same braking input (this is also an issue with the Campagnolo pads). Once this happens, the pad material left on the rim further insulates and exacerbates the thermal dissipation issues (and is nearly impossible to remove). Also, we've found some consumers experience some pulsation issues with Swiss Stop pads that is remedied by switching to either our pad or something like the Bontrager cork-based pads.

Our pads may wear a bit faster than the Kool Stops but we believe that for users that will be descending the improved modulation and thermal dissipation are preferential.
How long have you guys been doing this pad design for?
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Waldo,...the pads that came with my Reynolds Assault carbon wheelset are Reynold specific barradine pads for carbon. Can I use this on the Zipp 404 tubular wheelset that I am buying? Just a pain to always change brake pads.

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Originally Posted by Zen Cyclery View Post
How long have you guys been doing this pad design for?
Since 2003.

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Waldo,...the pads that came with my Reynolds Assault carbon wheelset are Reynold specific barradine pads for carbon. Can I use this on the Zipp 404 tubular wheelset that I am buying? Just a pain to always change brake pads.

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BHBiker, I'm afraid I haven't yet put the Reynolds version of the Baradine pads through our testing so I hesitate to give any recommendation, either positive or otherwise. As things stand now, my recommendations would be our pad, then something like the Bontrager cork-based pads, the Kool Stop black pads, and then the Swiss Stops. This is based on a combination of overall stopping power, modulation, rim wear, and thermal considerations. Sorry I cannot be more helpful.
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Originally Posted by Waldo View Post
Since 2003.



BHBiker, I'm afraid I haven't yet put the Reynolds version of the Baradine pads through our testing so I hesitate to give any recommendation, either positive or otherwise. As things stand now, my recommendations would be our pad, then something like the Bontrager cork-based pads, the Kool Stop black pads, and then the Swiss Stops. This is based on a combination of overall stopping power, modulation, rim wear, and thermal considerations. Sorry I cannot be more helpful.
Thanks. Looks like sswapping pads for me....
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Thanks Waldo, I just ordered the Zipp pads. The brakes is not where I want to skimp, for many reasons. I also want my carbon wheels to last as long as possible.
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