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Need some advice. Good frame vs. good components??

Old 04-27-09, 12:33 AM
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Need some advice. Good frame vs. good components??

Hey everyone. I sold my fixed gear to get some gears and now I need some advice.

My price point is 1200 or less. The two bikes I am debating between is the Motobecane Grand Sprint:
http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/..._sprint_ix.htm

and the Cannondale CAAD9-6:
http://www.cannondale.com/bikes/09/c...6D_9RA96T.html

obviously the Ultegra and FSA crank would be the reason I would consider the Motobecane but I know how incredible the CAAD9 frames are. I dont have the extra money to get the CAAD9 w/105 so essentially these are my only two choices. I also will not be able to upgrade for a pretty long time which is why I hate the thought of Tiagra/Sora components.

Which would you choose and why?

thanks!
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Old 04-27-09, 03:25 AM
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i'd definitely go for the c'dale with the better frame. Firstly, i don't think Sora and Tiagra are as much of a curse as people make out. I ride with the late 80s equivalent (i don't even know what its called) and it shifts well enough.
Also, you say you're unlikely to upgrade. well, its easier to scrape together a few bob to upgrade the components bit by bit, which you can't do with the frame.
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Old 04-27-09, 03:45 AM
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Tiagra works well enough. I had it stock on my bike but have been upgrading pieces as I find good deals and parts wear out.
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I always invest on the frame first, then the wheels and lastly the gruppo.
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how would you describe you're level?

what kind of riding do you plan on doing?

how often?

where?
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Originally Posted by botto View Post
how would you describe you're level?

what kind of riding do you plan on doing?

how often?

where?
Thanks for the help everyone. I would say I am a mid level rider. I definitely will not be doing any racing but I put in 300-ish miles a week and I will be doing it around the san francisco bay area.

My biggest concern is enjoying my time on the bike. I have had some really cheap bikes in the past and the and horrible, poorly maintained components ruin the riding experience (for me at least).

If tiagra is durable and is good for moderate riding I would like to go with the Cdale. Right now I really am leaning toward the CAAD, ride the tiagra through the summer/fall and then upgrade the wheels and group in the winter.
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Definitely worth a look
ADK carbon frame with carbon crank and a lot of Ultegra
http://cgi.ebay.com/BOTTECCHIA-CARBO...3%3A1|294%3A50
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If you're not planning on doing any racing and are planning longer rides, I think there are better frames than the CAAD9. The geometry doesn't work for me as an all-around ride. YMMV.

Ride a bunch of bikes and see what your preferences are.
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Old 04-27-09, 09:49 AM
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My first bike purchase was based on the components. I can tell you with no hesitation -- go for the frame. If you want to upgrade an individual component or two at some point, they're pretty cheap.
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If you're going to ride 300 miles a week, those cheapo parts won't last long. I'd go for the Motobecane. Higher level aluminum frames will be lighter, but not necessarily ride any better.
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Personally I think the wheels makes the difference in terms of durability and performance on a bike. If you want problem-free for the long-haul (10-20 years), I'd upgrade the wheels on any bike you get.
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If it's strictly between these two bikes, and their geometry is almost the same, go for the CAAD bike. It has a huge downtube and should give really good power transmission.

The Cdale also has good components, pretty much a full Tiagra group with a Tiagra crankset, rare these days, and the brakes should be good as well. It has Tektro 520's which look similar to the 538's I had, same pads as well, and the 538's were very strong.

Other than the ultegra shifters and derailleurs, I don't see why you'd go for the BD bike. Buying a bike for its components often leaves you with a mediocre if not sub-mediocre frame.
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I think I have talked myself into going bike-less for a few weeks until I can buy a CAAD9 - 5.

I think its worth the extra wait and 150 bucks for the 105 parts
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I think I have talked myself into going bike-less for a few weeks until I can buy a CAAD9 - 5.

I think its worth the extra wait and 150 bucks for the 105 parts
I would agree wholeheartedly. I just picked up my CAAD9-5 Saturday....if it's just $150 to go to 105 by all means, save pennies a bit longer and do it. However, I'd get one on order immediately, lots of people are having a hard time getting the 9-5...I was lucky, just a week or so between order and arrival. Put it on layaway, put down a deposit, do whatever...
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You might also want to look at the Fuji Roubaix with tiagra and 105, or the Fuji Roubaix Pro with 105 and Ulgegra. Both sell for less than your price point.
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When I was in your position I also was looking at the CAAD9 6. After posting here and other places the consensus was to wait until I could afford the 105 set.

While there may not be 'problems' with the sora/tiagra no one complains about the 105.
That money might sting now, but assuming you're still on the same bike in 5 years, you'll be happy you spent it.
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http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=535260
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A good friend of mine got back into racing. He previously was a very strong Cat 3, regularly rode with pros and ex-pros (and could work with them), worked in a bike shop, he used to race a high end Coppi with Campy Chorus, he built his bike (wheels too), etc etc. He took 10 years off to build up his family's business.

When he decided to start riding again, he bought a bike based only on the frame. He knew that parts wear out, and that he'd have to replace much of the drivetrain parts. So he bought a lowend bike with a decent frame. Now he's upgrading the components because his "first group" is basically trashed after a year of steady training.

I'd get a frame/fork first, a bar shifter (barend or brifter) set up, decent wheels, and not worry about too much else. Just make sure that the parts on the bike are compatible with readily available parts. For example, if a Shimano based drivetrain, it should be 9 or 10s compatible.

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Thanks for all the help everyone. Yesterday I decided to order a 09 CAAD9 - 6. I got a steal from my LBS (mikesbikes.com) for $899, the 5 was $1249. My goal is to ride out the Tiagra for the rest of the season and buy Rival pieces until I have a full group then upgrade.

Thanks again for the suggestions, 2 weeks until my 6 is here!
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