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Johnny Colnago 04-29-09 08:38 AM

Buying from bikes direct is much like having a cheap *****. You might have fun for a little while, but in the end you're stuck with huge medical bills and "saddle" sores.

kayakdiver 04-29-09 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by idcruiserman (Post 8820847)
Show me where it's being sold for "list" price.

It's never sold for list.... so list price is bull pucky. If you sell it for $300 and you are the only retailer.... that makes it a $300 retail bike. Period.

MountainKing 04-29-09 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by BengeBoy (Post 8820561)
Again, why shouldn't a consumer expect this to be a well-built bike?

BikesDirect says it is *perfect* - in fact, it's the same frame that is used in their "$795" bike. Here is their marketing copy on their website:


"Windsor has crafted the perfect entry level road bike. Other makers use low grade steel for frames, Windsor has upped the ante and gone to the next level with their 7005 Series Multishape Engineered aluminum tubing.

Available in Yellow or Blue


Handbuilt with precision TIG welds that are lighter and stronger than ever. The same great Windsor ride with lightweight MultiShape, engineered Aluminum tubing as used on the higher end Windsor Leeds which lists for $795."


That's why BikesDirect sparks such controversy. It's not that their bikes aren't good values. It's the hype they use to promote the bike that is borderline misleading. Experienced people look at their bikes and say, "what do you expect for $300?" A newb looks at their marketing copy and says, "I"m getting a $795 bike."

I don't know about that one. If you were taught early that you get what you pay for...well, nuff said. While I think there are good deals on BD, that wellington sure as hell aint. Oh and no surprise that all their really good BD deals are sold out, and they seem to get sold out months ahead of time. I think they have bikes which they just use as attention grabbers to get you to the site so that you can buy something else that isn't such a good deal once you realize the "good deal" is sold out.

Hunt-man 04-29-09 08:54 AM

If BD sucks so bad on this $300 bike then there should be lots of great $300 bikes out there. So show me some great $300 road bikes please.... Is there such a thing? It just seems to me that for $300 I'd expect a bike to be a bit of a POS.

garysol1 04-29-09 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by Hunt-man (Post 8820973)
So show me some great $300 road bikes please.... Is there such a thing? It just seems to me that for $300 I'd expect a bike to be a bit of a POS.

If BD said "Hey, buy our POS bike for $300.00 then fine. The problem is when they advertise a $300.00 bike to be a quality bike taking advantage of the un-educated new riders.

kwrides 04-29-09 09:03 AM

Most newbs think $300 is a ton. They go to walmart and see a bike for $79 and then go to a bike shop and see a bike for $799 and think, "why would I pay $799 when I can get it for $79". Then, someone says, "You get what you pay for", so they start looking for a deal...and what do they find? HOLY CRAP!!! I can get a $799 bike for $300! SOLD!

MountainKing 04-29-09 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by kwrides (Post 8821037)
Most newbs think $300 is a ton. They go to walmart and see a bike for $79 and then go to a bike shop and see a bike for $799 and think, "why would I pay $799 when I can get it for $79". Then, someone says, "You get what you pay for", so they start looking for a deal...and what do they find? HOLY CRAP!!! I can get a $799 bike for $300! SOLD!

Wal Mart? $79 is a good deal. Not sure where the profit would be in making a $79 road bike though. $10 frame, $10 wheelset, $10 tires, $10 for inner tubes...what the heck. That's a steal. Links please :thumb:

I don't think there is such a thing as a $79 road bike. If I got a $79 road bike, I'd ride the hell out of that thing for year, log 10,000 miles on it, and turn around and sell it for $40.

garysol1 04-29-09 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by MountainKing (Post 8821107)
Wal Mart? $79 is a good deal. :

cheap does not make a good deal...

Hunt-man 04-29-09 09:18 AM

I looked at Performance bike and didn't see any $300 road bikes.... Are there any that are worth $300? I really doubt most noobs are finding BD on line and thinking they will order a bike that needs some assembly. Nor are they thinking to go to the local LBS.

So find me a road bike for $300 that is better or at least as good as the BD one. Forget the evil marketing for a moment, please.

kayakdiver 04-29-09 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by MountainKing (Post 8821107)
Wal Mart? $79 is a good deal. Not sure where the profit would be in making a $79 road bike though. $10 frame, $10 wheelset, $10 tires, $10 for inner tubes...what the heck. That's a steal. Links please :thumb:

I don't think there is such a thing as a $79 road bike. If I got a $79 road bike, I'd ride the hell out of that thing for year, log 10,000 miles on it, and turn around and sell it for $40.

Good luck with that one. Enjoy.

MountainKing 04-29-09 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by garysol1 (Post 8821120)
cheap does not make a good deal...

Well there is no such thing as a brand new $79 road bike any ways. Cheapest on WalMart is $158.

StupidlyBrave 04-29-09 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by MountainKing (Post 8821107)
I'd ride the hell out of that thing for year, log 10,000 miles on it, and turn around and sell it for $40.

I think there was someone in the commuting forum that tried that. He kept pretty careful notes, iirc. He didn't appear near done with it when I decided that he had already invested far more attention in keeping the bike road worthy than I thought was reasonable. So I stopped following his progress.

MountainKing 04-29-09 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by StupidlyBrave (Post 8821228)
I think there was someone in the commuting forum that tried that. He kept pretty careful notes, iirc. He didn't appear near done with it when I decided that he had already invested far more attention in keeping the bike road worthy than I thought was reasonable. So I stopped following his progress.

That's the thing, the bike would probably break before the 10k mark, lol. But if you were able to manage 10k miles on say a $100 or less road bike without any thing breaking, and only investing in tires and tubes, I'd say you win.

Coop500 04-29-09 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by MountainKing (Post 8821107)
Wal Mart? $79 is a good deal. Not sure where the profit would be in making a $79 road bike though. $10 frame, $10 wheelset, $10 tires, $10 for inner tubes...what the heck. That's a steal. Links please :thumb:

I don't think there is such a thing as a $79 road bike. If I got a $79 road bike, I'd ride the hell out of that thing for year, log 10,000 miles on it, and turn around and sell it for $40.

Heck the Mt.Pleasant, PA Wal-Mart has the GMC Denali on clearance for $80 in the box. I almost bought one for a beater, lol.

MountainKing 04-29-09 09:39 AM

Yah, be good for a beater, I mean, if you break it on a ride, you are not out 2 grand at least.

MountainKing 04-29-09 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by kyakdiver (Post 8821158)
Good luck with that one. Enjoy.

Yah, and what'd be funny is mounting my Edge 705 on it :roflmao2:

nycphotography 04-29-09 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by kyakdiver (Post 8821158)
Good luck with that one. Enjoy.

Who was it on here who did just that with a Denali? He was from Florida IIRC.

kwrides 04-29-09 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by Coop500 (Post 8821309)
Heck the Mt.Pleasant, PA Wal-Mart has the GMC Denali on clearance for $80 in the box. I almost bought one for a beater, lol.

Looks like I'm not the only one that saw that

kwrides 04-29-09 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by Hunt-man (Post 8821140)
I looked at Performance bike and didn't see any $300 road bikes.... Are there any that are worth $300? I really doubt most noobs are finding BD on line and thinking they will order a bike that needs some assembly. Nor are they thinking to go to the local LBS.

So find me a road bike for $300 that is better or at least as good as the BD one. Forget the evil marketing for a moment, please.

I don't see any online, but I think there are some Fuji or GT or Mongoose or something roadies at the Performance in Houston for under $500. I haven't been in there in forever, so take that for what it's worth.

kwrides 04-29-09 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by kwrides (Post 8821397)
Looks like I'm not the only one that saw that

Not that I would buy a $79 road bike, mind you...heck, that's only sixteen $5 footlongs...

I want the thing I go downhill at 40+ mph to be made of products that cost more than sixteen $5 footlongs

Rutnick 04-29-09 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by PlatyPius (Post 8818449)



And notice the Pro, over-the-bars cable routing!

http://bicycletrader.us/images/windsor5.jpg


Probably wanted to be like Pcad's bike.

fusatia 04-29-09 10:19 AM

I owned a Wellington 1.0 for almost 2 years, and put about 1,750 miles on it.

I wouldn't say it was a "horrible" bike, but I would never recommend anyone to buy one. I'm pretty sure the Al tubing is filled with lead, it's the only way to explain how much the damn thing weighs. :notamused:

I sold it for $190. Does that make me a bad person? :innocent:

Banzai 04-29-09 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by fusatia (Post 8821604)
I sold it for $190. Does that make me a bad person? :innocent:

I don't know if it makes you a bad person...but it makes you a heck of a salesman!

Wanderer 04-29-09 10:52 AM

Thanks for the objective riview. (yes I can see the shoddy work in the pics)

Good job!

RichinPeoria 04-29-09 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by BengeBoy (Post 8820561)

That's why BikesDirect sparks such controversy. It's not that their bikes aren't good values. It's the hype they use to promote the bike that is.....misleading. .

Oh and dont forget.....


Originally Posted by RichinPeoria (Post 8794642)
... shilling ad nausium, infomercials disguised as threads, offering payment to well know BF'rs to post their "opinion" (lie ? ) ...


Hunt-man 04-29-09 11:49 AM

I know raging on BD is a fun pastime for some here but I don't think you have a leg to stand on, at least regarding this OP bike, if you can't find another $300 road bike that is better. Marketing is all a bunch of nonsense designed to get us to part with our money and only sometimes is there a substantial factual basis behind it that is true.

So why Caveat Emptor for this $300 road bike? Looks like a decent POS for $300 to me. I wouldn't ride it but that is just me.

kwrides 04-29-09 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by Hunt-man (Post 8822300)
I know raging on BD is a fun pastime for some here but I don't think you have a leg to stand on, at least regarding this OP bike, if you can't find another $300 road bike that is better. Marketing is all a bunch of nonsense designed to get us to part with our money and only sometimes is there a substantial factual basis behind it that is true.

So why Caveat Emptor for this $300 road bike? Looks like a decent POS for $300 to me. I wouldn't ride it but that is just me.

People who say, "unless you can uncategorically prove me wrong, you're an idot" drive me nuts.

http://www.craigslist.org/about/sites

http://sporting-goods.shop.ebay.com/...lo=0&_udhi=300

PlatyPius 04-29-09 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by Hunt-man (Post 8822300)
I know raging on BD is a fun pastime for some here but I don't think you have a leg to stand on, at least regarding this OP bike, if you can't find another $300 road bike that is better. Marketing is all a bunch of nonsense designed to get us to part with our money and only sometimes is there a substantial factual basis behind it that is true.

So why Caveat Emptor for this $300 road bike? Looks like a decent POS for $300 to me. I wouldn't ride it but that is just me.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-ROAD-RACING-...%3A1|294%3A200

There ya go. One of their own bikes. Has a better frame, a better rear derailleur.... everything else looks the same.

fusatia 04-29-09 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by Banzai (Post 8821702)
I don't know if it makes you a bad person...but it makes you a heck of a salesman!

Maybe I should work for BD? :lol:

Wanderer 04-29-09 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by Hunt-man (Post 8822300)
I know raging on BD is a fun pastime for some here but I don't think you have a leg to stand on, at least regarding this OP bike, if you can't find another $300 road bike that is better. Marketing is all a bunch of nonsense designed to get us to part with our money and only sometimes is there a substantial factual basis behind it that is true.

So why Caveat Emptor for this $300 road bike? Looks like a decent POS for $300 to me. I wouldn't ride it but that is just me.

Since Caveat Emptor translates to let the buyer beware - it makes sense.

Platy was pointing out significant problems any buyer should be aware of, especially when looking over the pretty, shiny, new paint. - again, good job.


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