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If you see a TT/aero bike, what are the odds that it's a triathlete?

Old 05-08-09, 06:04 PM
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Okay...stupid question here, but does it make a whole lot of difference which one you train on?

Two of the guys on the Saturday morning group ride are triathletes, but they ride road bikes with no aerobars (I don't know if they used the same bikes for the triathlon or not) Last week, there was one guy there with aero bars, but he doesn't do any kind of competition. I'm not sure I'ver seen anyone on a TT bike around here, maybe once or twice at White Rock Lake or something. If you get off the group-ride-route, you don't see any roadies, for that matter.
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Originally Posted by StephenH View Post
Okay...stupid question here, but does it make a whole lot of difference which one you train on?

Two of the guys on the Saturday morning group ride are triathletes, but they ride road bikes with no aerobars (I don't know if they used the same bikes for the triathlon or not) Last week, there was one guy there with aero bars, but he doesn't do any kind of competition. I'm not sure I'ver seen anyone on a TT bike around here, maybe once or twice at White Rock Lake or something. If you get off the group-ride-route, you don't see any roadies, for that matter.
It means they're smart triathletes. TT/Tri bikes in general aren't great for group riding. I would never show up on a group ride with my P2C.

Does it matter which one you train on? Absolutely. It's a very different position and it takes some getting used to/tweaking the position before you can generate good power. I've been working on my tri position etc. lately and not doing much group riding at all, so almost all my riding time has been on the P2C.
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In this area, there is a high likelihood that the rider will be a real triathlete. We have several Ironman competitors locally too.
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Originally Posted by ScrubJ View Post
In this area, there is a high likelihood that the rider will be a real triathlete. We have several Ironman competitors locally too.
That stuff is just insane. I'm guessing there aren't many members here who warmed up for their last century with a 2.4 mile swim, decided that a century wasn't enough and tacked 12 more miles on, then cooled down with a marathon.
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Originally Posted by DrPete View Post
Ever consider that the bento box has fuel for the marathon he'll be running while you're on the couch after your ride?

Just a thought.
Definitely not the case. The last tri gal I rode with kept lipstick and and tampons in hers. I think that's pretty standard for either female or male triathletes.
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"I don't think most people ride TT bikes for enjoyment as they are not setup for comfort."


Totally disagree. There would be lots more people on TT bike (just for fun) if people realized that this misconception was wrong.

I ride my Cervelo road bike about 65% of the time and my Cervelo TT bike about 35% of the time and I don't race anymore. The interesting thing is that I am in almost the exact same body position on both bikes. On the TT bike, I am just rotated more forward due to the totally different geometry (much more upright seatpost).

I am 50 years old and not very flexible and I could never be comfortable riding my road bike with aerobars but my TT bike is very comfortable.

The TT is a great change of pace and it is very fast. I gain at least 1-1.5 mph for the same power output on the TT bike which is a huge advantage in a 1 hour ride. I don't see many people with TT bikes but they are missing out on a lot of fun.
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Old 05-08-09, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPete View Post
Come out here sometime. You'll have plenty of time looking at my back as I disappear into the distance to see I'm riding a nice smooth line.
And you were a roadie, first, n'est-ce pas?

Trust me, there are plenty of people on all sorts of bicycles that leave me in the dust, wobble or no. I really don't worry about it too much. I do gotta admit, alot of the tri chicks are hot!
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I don't know. I rarely see anyone on a bike around here unless it's at the tuesday night TTs or thursday night worlds. Obviously tuesdays have more TT bikes

A few of them are triathletes. One is even former world ironman champion (in the 60+ age range I think) Richard Litzel.
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Old 05-08-09, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DScott View Post
And you were a roadie, first, n'est-ce pas?

Trust me, there are plenty of people on all sorts of bicycles that leave me in the dust, wobble or no. I really don't worry about it too much. I do gotta admit, alot of the tri chicks are hot!
I still consider myself a roadie who's been forced into running and swimming to get some good TT'ing in.

Point is that "triathlete" is just as sweeping a generalization as any other, and exceptions to the stereotype can be easily found.
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Originally Posted by agarose2000 View Post
Ahhh, the prejudice. You should realize that the LA Triclub has 3 (!) groups of 10-30 every weekend, including an advanced fast group that does 70-120 miles of riding in the mountains, including the steepest climbs (including the Deer Creek 20% 2 mile climb section). Just because they're good riders (and most of them are) doesn't automatically mean they're roadies. A lot of the faster ones are as strong as Cat1/2 cyclists. (One guy runs a 2:20 marathon - olympic qualifying standard, is also monster fast on the bike, and he's not even the fastest one) I'm not as strong as the strongest, but I can definitely hang with the top half of the competitive pure roadie group (to their chagrin.)

I've ridden with both the local competitive roadie club and the intermediate and faster triclub groups here. Bike handling skills are totally fine in both groups, even with the prevalence of aerobars in the trigroup.

In summary - roadies shouldn't make judgments on trifolks until they ride with them.
I acknowledged that. It's not the fast ones or the capable bike handlers that perpetuate the stereotype, though. FWIW, LA Tri has ~1600 members. How do you feel riding in close proximity to the slowest 2-300? Would you really want to descend with them?

Whatever. It's all bike riding. At least they're out there. Did I mention that alot of the tri chicks are hot?
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Old 05-08-09, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DScott View Post
Whatever. It's all bike riding. At least they're out there. Did I mention that alot of the tri chicks are hot?
It is a pleasant side effect of my turn to the dark side, yes. Far superior to staring at your male teammate's butt while getting elbowed in a stinky peloton.
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Originally Posted by DrPete View Post
I still consider myself a roadie who's been forced into running and swimming to get some good TT'ing in.

Point is that "triathlete" is just as sweeping a generalization as any other, and exceptions to the stereotype can be easily found.
But where's the fun in that?

Srsly, are triathletes touchy about this stuff? Do they really think roadies are stuck up aholes, who look down on them? Or do they really sit around and laugh at the stick arms?
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Originally Posted by DScott View Post
Srsly, are triathletes touchy about this stuff? Do they really think roadies are stuck up aholes, who look down on them? Or do they really sit around and laugh at the stick arms?
The atmosphere at tri's is great. It's a lot more like the big running races, in the sense that there are a tiny number of people there to actually win the race, and the rest are there to do the best they can, have some fun, or maybe beat last year's time. Much more inclusive and supportive than a road bike race, for instance.

I've never heard a triathlete bash roadies--even when I'm incognito in my tri suit and aero helmet.
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Originally Posted by DrPete View Post
The atmosphere at tri's is great. It's a lot more like the big running races, in the sense that there are a tiny number of people there to actually win the race, and the rest are there to do the best they can, have some fun, or maybe beat last year's time. Much more inclusive and supportive than a road bike race, for instance.

I've never heard a triathlete bash roadies--even when I'm incognito in my tri suit and aero helmet.
A spy! Cool!

I don't race, so the only real criteria for me to judge other riders is not getting knocked over or run into a car. High levels of sturm und drang seem to be mostly a BF phenomenon.

A bike's a bike, as far as I'm concerned, and the quality of the rider depends little on that. There's squids everywhere...
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Originally Posted by DScott View Post
I acknowledged that. It's not the fast ones or the capable bike handlers that perpetuate the stereotype, though. FWIW, LA Tri has ~1600 members. How do you feel riding in close proximity to the slowest 2-300? Would you really want to descend with them?

Whatever. It's all bike riding. At least they're out there. Did I mention that alot of the tri chicks are hot?
It is true that the less experienced people would be dicey to descend with, but honestly, those folks are so beginner that there's no way they'd be caught out in the Santa Monica mts, 50-80 miles from home on a weekend. It's simply too hard for them. (Deer Creek 20% incline for a beginner?!) Odds are if you see trifolks out in the mountains here (where most serious cyclists in West LA train), they're solid and experienced road cyclists despite their tribikes.

And yes, trichicks definitely fall into the hot category IMO. Although to be honest, the caveat is that because triathlon is a fairly expensive sport to start, most of the women are 30+ at races; the younger age groups are not that well represented in males and especially females. So not too many 21 yr old hotties if that's your thing.
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Originally Posted by DScott View Post
A spy! Cool!

I don't race, so the only real criteria for me to judge other riders is not getting knocked over or run into a car. High levels of sturm und drang seem to be mostly a BF phenomenon.

A bike's a bike, as far as I'm concerned, and the quality of the rider depends little on that. There's squids everywhere...
One thing I have noticed as a fairly new triathlete is that it's hard to get really elitist as a multisport person - you're always getting your butt kicked in one of your weakest disciplines, and if you still think you're all that, just go on a group ride or group run with the local pure competitive bike or running clubs, and you'll realize how not all that you are. Only the elites can really dominate all 3 disciplines. Definitely harder to be a prima donna when you've got some perspective like that.
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Originally Posted by agarose2000 View Post
One thing I have noticed as a fairly new triathlete is that it's hard to get really elitist as a multisport person - you're always getting your butt kicked in one of your weakest disciplines, and if you still think you're all that, just go on a group ride or group run with the local pure competitive bike or running clubs, and you'll realize how not all that you are. Only the elites can really dominate all 3 disciplines. Definitely harder to be a prima donna when you've got some perspective like that.
It's a humbling sport. I look at the numbers for some of these climbing rides, and just boggle that I did a 5 hour ride at an average speed of 12mph. That's beach cruiser speed! I sometimes wonder why, then realize it's probably for the 40mph downhills.
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I used to ride a tri/tt bike just for the sake of riding because my aunt gave me her old cannondale multisport and it really got me involved in the sport. Then when I went to buy a bike of my own I bought a tri/tt bike because it's all I knew at the time. I finally decided I wanted to start racing this year (time trials) and bought some new aerobars and brake levers that basically made my bike not very fun to ride in any other situation but straight non technical courses. So then I bought a road bike so I could ride in groups and around the city and sometimes on the MUP (gasp). By the time I was around to my first time trial I was already addicted to the road bike and the group rides and signed up for two upcoming crits.

Long story short, I guess I was a one of the minority in which I was riding my tri/tt bike for the sake of one day time trialing.

I would say a sign that the person is most likely doing a triathlon would be if thier seat to aerobars drop is zero cm, or the bars are rotated upward, I take that as a sign of they just want to be comfortable for long distances.
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Originally Posted by Jynx View Post

my biggest cycling pet peeve is when people have road bikes with clip on aerobars and ride them on the road.
As opposed to riding them on singletrack? Where should one use a road bike + clip on set up?
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Originally Posted by DScott View Post
But where's the fun in that?

Srsly, are triathletes touchy about this stuff? Do they really think roadies are stuck up aholes, who look down on them? Or do they really sit around and laugh at the stick arms?
Actually, most competitive roadies are stuck up with regards to triguys - I've encountered it regularly both in real life over this past year as well as on these forums. We don't have any problems with roadies, but I get the impression that roadies use the aerobar issue to instantly dump on the triguys without even bothering to judge if the individual can even ride.
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Originally Posted by andr0id View Post
It' usually pretty obvious. If the bike is equipped with a bento box, bottle launchers and CO2 cartridges hanging off the back of the saddle, heavily equipped with Zipp products and filthy, it's a triathlete.
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Depends on what races are scheduled. In the next month, there are 4 TTs culminating in the District 40K TT Championships. Whether they are road racers or triathletes, many riders on TT bikes will be training for the road TTs. Many triathletes race in road TTs. I will be out at least once per week in my TT bike. To an extent, you can tell by the team kit if they belong to a club. And I like riding my TT bike on a TT course.
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Originally Posted by n00bL35 View Post
I don't have clip-on aero bars but I'm wondering what's so bad about having them on a road bike.
Nothing is wrong with it as long as remember that it reduces level of bike control. When I cracked my elbow I put those on so I can still ride and not to have too much pain. The elbow is healed but I still have aerobars since they provide welcome change of positions on long rides and increase speed on flats. No issues with comfort at all.
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Originally Posted by botto View Post
depends.

almost never see it where i am now, but saw it regularly when i was in memphis last year.

seeing as bluff city is filthy with trYathletes, i'd say that the odds were 50/50 that they were tryguys/grrllls. depended on the ride.
WHOLLY butchering of the English vocabulary batman!!
Oh wait it's BUTT O, that explains it.
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Originally Posted by WHOOOSSHHH... View Post
WHOLLY butchering of the English vocabulary batman!!
Oh wait it's BUTT O, that explains it.
does your mouth move when you read?

christ, you really chose a perfect user name.
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