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Carbon Wheel Lifespan

Old 05-11-09, 10:02 PM
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Carbon Wheel Lifespan

Building up a new bike and I'm thinking about taking the plunge and getting a carbon wheelset. I weigh 120 lbs and I've never had a problem with my alloy wheels going out of true (I've ridden campy, velocity deep v, and open pros). Can I expect a carbon wheelset to last for years of moderate riding, or should I just stick with alloy?
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I'm still riding some Zipp 330s from the mid-to-late 1990s. I weigh about 130.
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Originally Posted by bonechilling View Post
I'm still riding some Zipp 330s from the mid-to-late 1990s. I weigh about 130.
How has the carbon fared over the years? Specifically the rim area that makes contact with the brake pads?
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Edge rims are bomb proof. At your weight they will outlast you new bike.
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At 120 lbs, as long as you don't run through pot holes too often, carbons wheels should last you forever.
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Originally Posted by roy5000x2 View Post
At 120 lbs, as long as you don't run through pot holes too often, carbons wheels should last you forever.
Well, yes, provided you stay out of the sun's rays. The sun will break down carbon and before you know it, it's Ka-booom! You'll have to ride in the rain, exclusively.









(Kidding, kidding.)
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Old 05-12-09, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Drag View Post
How has the carbon fared over the years? Specifically the rim area that makes contact with the brake pads?
Just fine. As you may expect, they haven't been used as daily riders or anything, but early on I bought some Zipp carbon brakes pads (which kind of suck for stopping), and I never saw any wear on the sidewalls.
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I've got a pair of Zipp 404 clinchers that see everyday use and are 5 years old now, and no problems.

I've also got Zipp 303 tubulars that I race on.

IMHO, I don't think good CF wheels are any more prone to breaking than an aluminum rim. However, you have two issues: One, if you do crash, hit a pot hole, etc that brakes the rim, the replacement cost is going to be more, and Two, I have to believe that the CF braking surface on the tubular rims is going to wear out faster than on an Aluminum rim. (however, my 303's have 2500 plus miles and aren't showing appreciable wear.)

So my take is that CF are sufficiently durable for every day use. However, if you're cost conscious, and the thought of having to replace (or make expensive repairs) to a $2,000 wheelset is offputting, you're better off with Al rims for everyday use.
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If you're not racing, carbon rims don't make much sense. If you hit a pothole and trash a rim, it will be a very expensive repair.

I trashed my nearly new Powertap wheelset in a car/bike accident. I cut out the spokes and sent the hubs in for a complete rebuild that only cost $300 for new rims, spokes and labor. A bargain compared to rims that might cost $750 each.
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Originally Posted by DaveSSS View Post
If you're not racing, carbon rims don't make much sense. If you hit a pothole and trash a rim, it will be a very expensive repair.

I trashed my nearly new Powertap wheelset in a car/bike accident. I cut out the spokes and sent the hubs in for a complete rebuild that only cost $300 for new rims, spokes and labor. A bargain compared to rims that might cost $750 each.
Most CF wheel manufacturers have some sort of crash replacement program. I replaced a Zipp 303 rim under their crash replacement program for $395. Not exactly cheep, but about 1/2 MSRP.
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Originally Posted by Zen Cyclery View Post
Edge rims are bomb proof. At your weight they will outlast you new bike.
My new bike is a 1984 3Rensho, so we'll see about that ^_^
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My new bike is a 1984 3Rensho, so we'll see about that ^_^
It will look like the Delorean from Back to the Future.
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330s? 340s? I have a 440 from the early 90s, it's on its 3rd or 4th hub now. Relegated to a front race wheel - before it was a primary rear race wheel that I used a lot.

I was in the 140s when I got it, but I've been much heavier. Braking surface is an abrasive finish, designed more to shave off brake pad than anything else. Shows no appreciable wear. Probably not tons of miles, but many of those miles were in crits, i.e. frequent braking.

I've seen same generation wheels at races in NYC, so they're still around for sure. Strong wheels will last a long time. Not so sure about the super light ones.

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Originally Posted by Zen Cyclery View Post
Edge rims are bomb proof. At your weight they will outlast you new bike.
A classic post about wheels that have been on the market for less than a year.
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Originally Posted by dgasmd View Post
A classic post about wheels that have been on the market for less than a year.
A classic post by someone who has no clue about what they are talking about.
The 2 guys who started Edge were the engineers that developed the carbon clincher with Reynolds.
They split and started Edge. So your statement while correct is misleading. The company may be a year old but the people who founded it are some of the most respected engineers in the industry.
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Originally Posted by Zen Cyclery View Post
A classic post by someone who has no clue about what they are talking about.
The 2 guys who started Edge were the engineers that developed the carbon clincher with Reynolds.
They split and started Edge. So your statement while correct is misleading. The company may be a year old but the people who founded it are some of the most respected engineers in the industry.
how is the braking surface on the edge clincher rims? are they any better than reynolds'? i've heard the latter are particularly noisy and merely "good" in terms of stopping power.
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how is the braking surface on the edge clincher rims? are they any better than reynolds'? i've heard the latter are particularly noisy and merely "good" in terms of stopping power.
I have a pair. If you run them with SwissStops they work just fine in any/all conditions. I weigh 190 and i cannot tell any difference in breaking between them and my allow wheels.
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I have a pair of Reynolds Assault wheels with 4700 miles on them. They still do not have any perceptible recesses on the brake track. I hope to get 25k - 30k miles out of them. I use baradine pads, and the braking is as good as alloy. The modulation feels different, but the stopping power is the same.
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the real question is how do you AFFORD carbon rims?
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Originally Posted by the_drain View Post
the real question is how do you AFFORD carbon rims?

You have to go to some kind of cross roads and sell your sole...
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You have to go to some kind of cross roads and sell your sole...
Only the soles of the feet? That might be a good deal
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Originally Posted by DaveSSS View Post
If you're not racing, carbon rims don't make much sense. If you hit a pothole and trash a rim, it will be a very expensive repair.

I trashed my nearly new Powertap wheelset in a car/bike accident. I cut out the spokes and sent the hubs in for a complete rebuild that only cost $300 for new rims, spokes and labor. A bargain compared to rims that might cost $750 each.
Who said quality components and wheels are just for racing? I have a pair of the Vuelta XCR carbon tubulars and they are fast and aero wheels. There's nothing wrong with getting the most out of your cycling and enjoying the feel and ride of quality wheels. I'm not racing right now but I am competing against myself, and of course most times in a group ride there's friendly competition going on.

By the way, I also have a Zipp 440 tubular from circa 1994 and I still run it on the front wheel of my TT bike. Its in great condition and I have no worries about the integrity of the carbon rim.
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Originally Posted by Zen Cyclery View Post
A classic post by someone who has no clue about what they are talking about.
The 2 guys who started Edge were the engineers that developed the carbon clincher with Reynolds.
They split and started Edge. So your statement while correct is misleading. The company may be a year old but the people who founded it are some of the most respected engineers in the industry.
Don't confuse things here buddy. Although yes, I will agree with you in who the makers are, that is very misleading. It means they have possibly a solid start, but that is a far cry from being the best wheels out or being bomb proof Get back to us when there are a few dozen reviews of people that have put 10,000+ miles on them, hard crashes, heavy riders trashing them, people riding them for 3-4+ years, etc. Then, I will agree with you all you want. Until them, they have a nice chance and a solid possibility at being great. Nothing more.............
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Originally Posted by BHBiker View Post
Only the soles of the feet? That might be a good deal
I think I'd rather sell my soul...I would miss the soles of my feet.
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