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Old 05-21-09, 12:30 PM
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Can I do better with $1200-$1500

Hi, this is my first post.

I'm currently riding a Trek 7.3 fx (100% aluminum), and I feel its time to take the jump from hybrid to full on road bike. I've done a ton of research and have settled on this set up.

Frame Set - $275

58 cm Motobecane Le Champion SL w/ carbon fork
bikeisland.com


Group Set - $665

Full Sram Rival
665 pedalforce.com/ - 675 Buffalobikewholesale.com/ - 693 GVHbikes.com/


Wheel Set - $230

Ultegra hubs, Mavic Open Pro rims spokes?? DT-comp (is DT-rev worth it?)
bicyclewheelwarehouse.com - Proformancebike.com


Tires/Tubes - $50

Vittoria Rubino Pro - these should make a plush puncture proof ride for cheap!
pedalforce.com

Cockpit - $80
440mm FSA Omega Ergo Bar, 120mm FSA OS-150 Stem, OS-280 Seatpost, Reusing Specialized Avatar Seat
Amazon.com

Total Price $1300 USD.


I think that this bike would make a pretty solid commuter/weekend warrior bike. And I like that it doesn't have many well known parts on it. It will be less attractive to thieves.

I'm thinking about going for a steel frame because it's supposed to provide a better ride quality. (Soma Smoothie with kinesis carbon fork $410 ($320 frame+ $90 fork); Surly Pacer $450)

The difference would be $135-$175 (10%-13.5%)in my final price. To those who ride steel and alumin is it worth it to get the steel frame or am I going to be fine with just lowering my tire pressure. I'm riding aluminum right now, and it does beat me up, but that may happen with steel/carbon too.

I could get the Century Pro, with carbon seat stays and that should smooth it out a tad, but it has the same 135 mark up as the soma smoothie.

Can I get better deals than I'm getting right now?

I'm buying this over 2-3 months, are prices about to go up?

Thoughts and suggestions are appreciated!!
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Yes, just buy the bike from Bikes Direct. https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/.../lechamp08.htm

Same frame, Ultegra $1195.

And when you add in miscellaneous little things, such as bar tape and rim strips, and a couple of tools, etc, and shipping that $1300 is going to end up being higher.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Yes, just buy the bike from Bikes Direct. https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/.../lechamp08.htm

Same frame, Ultegra $1195.

And when you add in miscellaneous little things, such as bar tape and rim strips, and a couple of tools, etc, and shipping that $1300 is going to end up being higher.
Be aware that with the BD bike, you'll be getting an FSA compact crank with a chainring combe that you can't specify, an 11-23 cassette, a possible ass hatchet for a saddle, bars and tires that you may or may not like and a wheelset that's not nearly as sturdy as the Ultegra/Open Pro.

On the other hand, prices for components and groupsets have gone up a lot at some of the online stores in the last 6 months or so.
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Yes, just buy the bike from Bikes Direct. https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/.../lechamp08.htm

Same frame, Ultegra $1195.

And when you add in miscellaneous little things, such as bar tape and rim strips, and a couple of tools, etc, and shipping that $1300 is going to end up being higher.
Thanks for the reply!

I thought about just going the BD way Buuuuuut.

Upon first observation the bike direct buy seems better, but the problem is that there is no customization. My major gripes are as follows.

1. The gearing is too high. I bike in a hilly area, and on top of that I'm ~200lb. That bike is a 53/39 11-23.! I'm getting a 50/34 12-26. To change that out on the BD bike would add almost 200 alone.

2. The bottom bracket is ISIS, I want external bearings because they are stiffer. BB30 would be nice, but more expensive route

3. The Rival crank set is next to the stiffest on the market. Stiffer than dura-ace, stiffer than force, and red. So I really want them.

4. I want Rival. To be honest, after test riding a Rival equipped bike, I can live with ultegra. But I still kind of want it.

5. I think I need a 120mm stem. I'm not sure what's on the BD bike.

Its funny but when I first got on the BD site I thought Ritchey was like a knock off brand, oh how wrong I was!

Yeah but, those are my reasons for not going BD. The biggest being gearing
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I'd go with a used name brand frame just because.......
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Originally Posted by Second Mouse
Be aware that with the BD bike, you'll be getting an FSA compact crank with a chainring combe that you can't specify, an 11-23 cassette, a possible ass hatchet for a saddle, bars and tires that you may or may not like and a wheelset that's not nearly as sturdy as the Ultegra/Open Pro.

On the other hand, prices for components and groupsets have gone up a lot at some of the online stores in the last 6 months or so.
1) An FSA carbon crank would be at the same level as a Rival crank

2) it's spec'd with an 11-23 https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...mp08.htm#specs

3) Ritchey WCS is not bad stuff. I don't think there's a big difference between them and machine built Performance Open Pro wheels.

4) Vittoria Diamante Tires are above the Rubinos the OP priced in the Vittoria lineup.

5) The OP's reusing his current saddle, so you've got to subtract whatever you can get for the BD seat from the BD price.

I just think it's going to be hard to out BikeDirect BikesDirect. They've got some economies of scale working for them.
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Originally Posted by Namo4184
Thanks for the reply!

I thought about just going the BD way Buuuuuut.

Upon first observation the bike direct buy seems better, but the problem is that there is no customization. My major gripes are as follows.

1. The gearing is too high. I bike in a hilly area, and on top of that I'm ~200lb. That bike is a 53/39 11-23.! I'm getting a 50/34 12-26. To change that out on the BD bike would add almost 200 alone.

2. The bottom bracket is ISIS, I want external bearings because they are stiffer. BB30 would be nice, but more expensive route

3. The Rival crank set is next to the stiffest on the market. Stiffer than dura-ace, stiffer than force, and red. So I really want them.

4. I want Rival. To be honest, after test riding a Rival equipped bike, I can live with ultegra. But I still kind of want it.

5. I think I need a 120mm stem. I'm not sure what's on the BD bike.

Its funny but when I first got on the BD site I thought Ritchey was like a knock off brand, oh how wrong I was!

Yeah but, those are my reasons for not going BD. The biggest being gearing
The Ultegra is spec'd with a 50/34 crank, so the gearing's not an issue.

And if you really want SRAM, you can get the same frame with Force for $1695 (and compact gearing, with a 12/25 cassette)

Subtract what you can sell the seat for, and then add all the shipping for all the individual parts, and the various miscellaneous stuff that always adds to the cost of a bike build, and I think your final number will about the same, and you'll have Force instead of Rival.
https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...mp_force08.htm
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What you're looking at to begin with sounds like a really good build. Just realize that there will be money involved to build up the actual bike, unless you have friends at an LBS where you can wrench for free. Don't forget the cost of bar tape, a cyclocomputer, and shipping. Even after everything is said and done, that is going to be a great ride!
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Originally Posted by kyakdiver
I'd go with a used name brand frame just because.......
+1, probably better resale value in the future if you decide to upgrade the frame/bike
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Unless you are set on new and building it yourself, have you considered Craigslist? You might find something with low miles and in great shape with good components. At least you can try before you buy.
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unless you are set on new and building it yourself, have you considered craigslist? You might find something with low miles and in great shape with good components. At least you can try before you buy.
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I would go with the Soma frame option and your own build specs.

The Soma frame might be lighter and will ride better. I did a Soma Double Cross build and am very happy with the bike. I ride 500 miles/month and the ride quality is never an issue.

Most long distance riders use steel bikes: https://www.bikeforums.net/long-distance-competition-ultracycling-randonneuring-endurance-cycling/542187-frame-material-how-about-your-bikes.html

If you don't like the ride of your current bike, you will not like the ride of the Motobecane.
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How about Neuvation? 1300 for alloy frame w/ Rival, 1600 gets you a carbon frame - plus you get to customize it (mostly) however you want.
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This would be a sweet ride...
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
The Ultegra is spec'd with a 50/34 crank, so the gearing's not an issue.

And if you really want SRAM, you can get the same frame with Force for $1695 (and compact gearing, with a 12/25 cassette)

Subtract what you can sell the seat for, and then add all the shipping for all the individual parts, and the various miscellaneous stuff that always adds to the cost of a bike build, and I think your final number will about the same, and you'll have Force instead of Rival.
https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...mp_force08.htm
+1. Very constructive advice.
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Wow, no one's regurgitated the standard BF answer. Starts with a "C", I think.

BTW, did you figure in the price of the tools necessary and do you have the mechanical ability to adjust brakes/derailleurs, install headset, BB, etc.?
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Crankset.



Total price $1300 USD.

So cool you don't even need the rest of the bike.
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Another bikesdirect brand w/ adk carbon frame, carbon compact crank, Ultegra, 12-27 cassette

https://cgi.ebay.com/BOTTECCHIA-CARBO...3%3A1|294%3A50
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Originally Posted by DrPete
Crankset.



Total price $1300 USD.

So cool you don't even need the rest of the bike.
You know damn well that you are fighting every urge to buy these.
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Originally Posted by Ih8lucky13
You know damn well that you are fighting every urge to buy these.
I am.

Luckily there are enough other expenses that there's nothing burning a hole in my pocket right now...
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Originally Posted by kyakdiver
I'd go with a used name brand frame just because.......
That is true, what brands would you recommend. The problem with buying used is that I'm getting a lot of stuff I don't want. I've looked and I'm still looking for used stuff though. is there anything better than craig's list. anything bike specific.


Originally Posted by roy5000x2
What you're looking at to begin with sounds like a really good build. Just realize that there will be money involved to build up the actual bike, unless you have friends at an LBS where you can wrench for free. Don't forget the cost of bar tape, a cyclocomputer, and shipping. Even after everything is said and done, that is going to be a great ride!
You're right that there will be money involved. I've been looking at stuff like bike shoes, pedals, computers(sigma 1606L DTS +cadence or Strada Double wireless), bike store said they would build it for 40. The only tools I think I need is the bottom bracket tool and the lock ring tool. I think I can put it together fine though.


Originally Posted by FLvector
Unless you are set on new and building it yourself, have you considered Craigslist? You might find something with low miles and in great shape with good components. At least you can try before you buy.
Oh believe I've tried!! I'm still trying in fact.

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I would go with the Soma frame option and your own build specs.

The Soma frame might be lighter and will ride better. I did a Soma Double Cross build and am very happy with the bike. I ride 500 miles/month and the ride quality is never an issue.

Most long distance riders use steel bikes: https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=542187

yeah that's the thing though. If steel or carbon stays really are more comfortable I'm willing to pay a little extra to get it. Only reasonably priced steel frames I know are the soma and the surly.
If you don't like the ride of your current bike, you will not like the ride of the Motobecane.
that seems like a very good deal. only problem is that it comes with a double not compact. And it's a bit pricey. But I've talked to a guy who swears by it.
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Originally Posted by DrPete
Crankset.



Total price $1300 USD.

So cool you don't even need the rest of the bike.
And I think we have a winner
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Yes, just buy the bike from Bikes Direct. https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/.../lechamp08.htm

Same frame, Ultegra $1195.

And when you add in miscellaneous little things, such as bar tape and rim strips, and a couple of tools, etc, and shipping that $1300 is going to end up being higher.
this.

that is a fine bike.
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Or you could go to a bike shop and get a Trek 2.1 for ~$1300 along with full assembly, warranty, probably tune-ups, fit adjustments etc.
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