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Old 06-03-09, 10:26 AM
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PTs are being sold by Performance now. (It seems that if you ever bought anything from them, you receive their catalogues for life).
BTW, in the same catalogue, they have Garmins (705) and shimano DA Di2; they used to have mostly cheap stuff before.
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Originally Posted by botto View Post
ignorance is bliss.
I love you, botto, except when you get all high and mighty about Europe.

Show me where you can get a built new PTap in Western Europe for €460 (Competitive Cyclist deal). When you can, you'll see a lot more of them. Europeans aren't above them.
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Originally Posted by bdcheung
Powertaps are becoming passé.
fixed.
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Old 06-03-09, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by urodacus View Post
fixed.
PowerTaps, or power meters?

Ok, there's the single wheel issue. But I think either way you're wrong. Training with power is not a training fad.
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Originally Posted by heads up! View Post
Training with power is not a training fad.
i don't think there is a 1.0 correlation between owning a power meter, and training with power.
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Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
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What's your marginal tax rate?
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I used to live there and I'll make it quick-like so as not to get the mods twitchy...
"it's not that simple"
are tax rates different? yes
do you get different stuff? yes.
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Originally Posted by Hida Yanra View Post
I used to live there and I'll make it quick-like so as not to get the mods twitchy...
"it's not that simple"
are tax rates different? yes
do you get different stuff? yes.
i know all that

i just want a number
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In fact PTs are so common I've even seen one on a Pacer, with Honjos:



(I normally use it on the Ciocc but use it on the Pacer sometimes too)

So BD, what do you think the abundance of PTs points to? That more people are actually doing (structured) training, or just spending dough wastefully?

Seems like if people want to waste money, it should be with lighter parts, not a heavier hub.
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Originally Posted by mattm View Post
So BD, what do you think the abundance of PTs points to?
nothing that I really care to spend time thinking about
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Originally Posted by heads up! View Post
PowerTaps, or power meters?

Ok, there's the single wheel issue. But I think either way you're wrong. Training with power is not a training fad.
I prefer the "single wheel issue" due to the fact it is much easier to move the PT from my road to my TT bike and throw a disc cover on than switch out an SRM or Cinqo bike to bike. If I could afford it, I would be running an SRM on both, but that just isn't happening.

I am with you. Training with power is not a fad. PTs can be had for less than a 1000 bux now and do everything and more than 90% of the public will ever need. Of course you will start seeing them on people's bikes that have no clue what they are for but will run them because they saw Joe Pro with one.
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I used to switch my SRM between my CAAD9 and my Crosscheck, since I would race/train on one and commute (long distances) on the other. The switching was fast and easy - but I soon found I was way over-geared when running the 53/39 on the Surly. Swapping chainrings is a much bigger PITA than unbolting a crank and plugging it into a new BB.
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SRM vs Powertap cost? (Crank, training wheels, race wheels, disc wheel)

SRM
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SRM Crank: $3200
Mavic Open Pros: $300
Zipp 404's: $2200
Zipp Sub-9: $1800

TOTAL: $7500

Powertap
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Sram Rival Crank: $125
Mavic Open Pros w/ PT hub: $850
Zipp 404's w/ PT hub: $2750
Zipp Sub-9 w/ PT hub: $2900

TOTAL: $6625

The PT also requires a little less maintenance and is easier to keep calibrated.
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Originally Posted by procrit View Post
The PT also requires a little less maintenance and is easier to keep calibrated.
You can't calibrate a powertap. Gotta send it back to Saris.

The SRM Gossamer is $2,800.

Where are you getting your prices (links)?
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In Botto's defense.....I was born in Europe and moved to America due to parents.....once a graduate Im moving back. Europe is better than America....
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if we went with all prices from the same company (Competitive Cyclist), then it breaks down like this (I tried to get everything ANT+ compatible to level the playing field):

SRM:
SRM Gossamer - $2,895.00
Mavic Aksium - $249.99 (CC doesn't have the open pros)
Zipp 404s - $2,285.00
Zipp Sub9 - $2,075.00
Total - $7504.99

PowerTap:
SRAM Rival cranks - $190.00
PowerTap w/DT RR1.1 - $2,200 for rear wheel, $100 for front wheel (i'll be generous, it isn't on the site)
Zipp 404PT - $2,900 for the rear wheel, $500 for the front (i'll be generous, it isn't on the site)
Zipp Sub9PT - $3,675
Total - $9,565
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Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
i just want a number
in denmark mine was 52%
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Originally Posted by VA_Esquire View Post
In Botto's defense.....I was born in Europe and moved to America due to parents.....once a graduate Im moving back. Europe is better than America....
Thanks for the expert opinion. Case closed.

BTW, I think this is a thread about Powertaps, but I could be wrong.
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Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
i don't think there is a 1.0 correlation between owning a power meter, and training with power.
From what I see, I don't think there is a 1.0 correlation between owning a power meter and "training," period.
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Originally Posted by VA_Esquire View Post
Europe is better than America....
Good point, wattage outputs are like 10% higher in Europe.
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Originally Posted by heads up! View Post
I love you, botto, except when you get all high and mighty about Europe.

Show me where you can get a built new PTap in Western Europe for €460 (Competitive Cyclist deal). When you can, you'll see a lot more of them. Europeans aren't above them.
that's not the point. the point is that it's no big thing to spot a PT, or Zipps, or whatever the latest and greatest is on your average fat ass cat 5 in the US.

in europe - specifically in the netherlands - you never see that 'buy your way to the top' mentality. most of my friends are perfectly happy with their gear.

even if they covet fancy schwag, they tend to spend their money on more worthy things, like trips to italy/france/spain to ride their bikes.

if PTs weren't so maintenance heavy, i would have picked one up ages ago.


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In Botto's defense.....I was born in Europe and moved to America due to parents.....once a graduate Im moving back. Europe is better than America....
incorrect.

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if PTs weren't so maintenance heavy, i would have picked one up ages ago.
???

What is so intensive about the maintenance?
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???

What is so intensive about the maintenance?
every other week someone in the 33 is having issues with their PTs.

granted, they always praise saris for it's customer service, but i have my doubts that it's as sterling in europe as it is in NL.
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Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
i know all that

i just want a number
28%


However, those in Europe also get more services than we do in the US.
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Originally Posted by DrPete View Post
One need only price out a powertap disc wheel to make the decision easy.... Actually, as soon as you have an interest in using more than one rear wheel on your bike of any kind a crank-mounted system starts to make a lot of sense...

http://www.competitivecyclist.com/ro...paign=Datafeed


I use my powertap wheel on 3 bikes.

Road Race bike
Long distance/wet weather bike
(soon to be) cross bike.

That wouldn't work out so good with a crank PM.
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