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Kyserium SL upgrade suggestions?

Old 06-09-09, 05:59 AM
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Kyserium SL upgrade suggestions?

Have Kyserium SLs and am looking to upgrade.

'Love the climbing ability of the SLs but want a lighter feel, faster spin-up, higher top-end speed.

Tried Cosmic Carbone SLRs -- loved them except for climbing. Am little reluctant to pay $800 over the Carbone SLs for blade spokes and a 100g savings. Is it worth it?

Tried the 1st gen Reynolds DV46s (aka Stratus). Maybe I had a bum set, but the wheels felt dead to me. SLRs felt far better and lighter to me, despite actually weighing more. 'Was just about to buy a set of 46ULs and now feel I'm back to square-one. (Is the difference from the 1st gen 46s to the current ones huge?)

The perfect wheel to me: climbs as good if not better than the Kyseriums but had all the other characteristics of the Carbone SLRs -- light feel, very fast spin-up, high top-end sustained speeds.

Suggestions? Edges w/ some good hubs, MV32s, something else?

190-195 lbs / 6'2"; typical rides has a varying terrain, good amount of climbing; ride solo 75% of the time...Like to do centuries.

Suggestions thus far rec'd: HED Ardennes C2, Corima Aero... Anything else? Just trying to build up a list wheels to try now that I'm back to square-one.

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What kind of budget do you have?
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Kyserium SL are great wheels, it will take a good amount of cash to upgrade those. Sounds like you want something light and aero which is hard to find in a clincher (aluminum at least), maybe look at the easton ec90 slx, although they're tubulars.
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Originally Posted by martymc View Post

Tried the 1st gen Reynolds DV46s (aka Solitudes).
DV46s are not Solitudes. DV46s are carbon deep-v rims, Solitudes are aluminum mid-v rims.
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Have you considered a custom set? Edge rims have been positively reviewed here a few times IIRC.
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Originally Posted by rc32 View Post
DV46s are not Solitudes. DV46s are carbon deep-v rims, Solitudes are aluminum mid-v rims.
My bad -- meant Reynolds Stratus.
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Originally Posted by unbelievably View Post
What kind of budget do you have?
$2500 or less.
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Originally Posted by haimtoeg View Post
Have you considered a custom set? Edge rims have been positively reviewed here a few times IIRC.
Yes. My only reservation is not being able to demo custom wheels.

The 1st generation Reynolds (Stratus) tryouts have me really leaning on "trying before buying" since I was convinced the DV46ULs would have been perfect.
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Originally Posted by martymc View Post
My bad -- meant Reynolds Stratus.
No problem.
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Zipp 404 Clydesdale. 1304g for the tubular set and stiff as hell.
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Not new R-sys!

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Not any iteration of R-sys!

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Assualt
Rim Depth: 46mm
Spoke Patterns: 20/24
Weight: 1525 grams per set
Hubs: Reynolds-Specific Design
Front Spokes: (Radial) DT Revolution
Rear Spokes: (Radial, 2x Drive) DT Competition and DT Revolution
Brake Pads: Reynolds Carbon-Specific Design

Retail about $1500.00

I like the Assault wheelset for the money. You could spend more (your budget is 2500) but why? Light, stiff and aero.

or




Attack
Rim Depth: 32mm
Spoke Patterns: 20/24
Weight: 1450 grams per set
Hubs: Reynolds-Specific Design
Front Spokes: (Radial) DT Revolution
Rear Spokes: (Radial, 2x Drive) DT Revolution and DT Competition
Brake Pads: Reynolds Carbon-Specific Design

About $1400 retail.

BTW, Their wheels do not have a weight restriction.

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I just came across this.... http://rossettibike.com

They have a 50mm full carbon clincher for $995 at 1530g/set and another one at $795 at 1550 g/set?!?! I hope I read that right..Has anyone heard of them? Are those weights at those prices confirmed?

That's cheaper than the Soul 5.2c with a slight weight penalty.... I wonder what rims/hubs Rossetti uses for these wheels.
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I personally wouldn't buy carbon wheels from a small/obscure manufacturer.
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Something to keep in mind re: the Reynolds options--you're right at the max recommended rider weight for their 16/20 spoke wheels. If you want to go stiffer, stick with the 20/24's or go for the Zipp Clydesdales.

Originally Posted by Reynolds Cycling
We do not have specific weight limit for any of the models of Reynolds Carbon wheels. However, a heavier rider will find less flex out of wheel with a deeper rim profile and/or a wheel built with a higher spoke count.

Weight recommendations-
Cirro, KOM- Up to 175 lbs.
Stratus DV UL 16/20 spoke count. Up to 190 lbs. Recommended spoke count 20/24 for over 190 lbs.

All recommendations can vary depending on riding style and desired performance.
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Who the F knows how to spell Ksyrium?
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My LBS made the decision much harder today. Through the weekend they have a 20% off sale on all in-stock items. That puts the price of the Cosmic Carbone SLRs at $1600.

The only thing I didn't like about the SLRs was climbing ability; however, the DV46ULs were only marginally better than the SLRs (and way more expensive).

My ignorance looks at the considerably heavier weight of the SLRs and thinks they're not a good choice; however, after riding them extensively, I don't feel the extra weight at all. In fact, they feel lighter than even the DV46ULs to me.... Add in they spin-up like they've got a motor attached and are absolutely sublime over about 22 mph, and it may be too much of a temptation to pass up....

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Not trying to make things tougher but....What about the Reynolds RAP?

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My LBS made the decision much harder today. Through the weekend they have a 20% off sale on all in-stock items. That puts the price of the Cosmic Carbone SLRs at $1600.

The only thing I didn't like about the SLRs was climbing ability; however, the DV46ULs were only marginally better than the SLRs (and way more expensive).

My ignorance looks at the considerably heavier weight of the SLRs and thinks they're not a good choice; however, after riding them extensively, I don't feel the extra weight at all. In fact, they feel lighter than even the DV46ULs to me.... Add in they spin-up like they've got a motor attached and are absolutely sublime over about 22 mph, and it may be too much of a temptation to pass up....
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Originally Posted by Capgemini View Post
Not trying to make things tougher but....What about the Reynolds RAP?
Reynolds RAP = $200. Mavic MP3 for the SLRs = $160...

Can ride them both like the proverbial rented mule, without worries for 3 yrs.
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mv32 clincher. or a set of edge 38 built on 240 dt swiss.
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Do you race? I'm just wondering why you have such a high budget just for rolling hill and century rides.
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Originally Posted by entukay View Post
Do you race? I'm just wondering why you have such a high budget just for rolling hill and century rides.
I'm Fred.

Seriously -- I've improved my centuries times well into the 4:XX times (except for a few especially hilly centuries in the mountains). At least around here, that puts me in packs where most if not all the riders are on nicer aero wheels or are just plain way better than me.

I can draft/pull at 25+ with Kyserium wheels but personally can't hold on at those speeds for 100 miles. Around 60-70, I find myself falling off the back after a pull and trying to keep up well above a "resting" wattage to stay with the pack. 'Just looking to level-out the wattage expenditure with the others I typically find myself with, find relief at the higher speeds, and have a shot finishing in the lead.

I also just like the "alive" feeling that wheels like the SLRs in particular provide. They are just fun to experience -- and make my Kyeriums feel like they're bolted to the ground in comparison.

So no -- not racing. 'Just a rapido Fred...
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I have the Ksy SLs and I just got the Easton EC70 SLs for $790 shipped on eBay...I'm liking the EC70s...they are 38mm and are supposed to be pretty strong...but, if you have a few more dollars, you might want something deeper...
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I didn't know about mavic mp3....good to know....
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