Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

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Old 06-25-09, 07:29 AM
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This isn't going to turn into one of those "show off your gaudy home entertainment system" threads, is it?
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Hey esquire, do you live in a hotel room?
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I have a 42'' HD tv and get lots of HD channels but don't get VersusHD, just regular Versus. Will I need VersusHD or will the standard channel broadcast the Tour in HD? That hurt my head.
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Only the HD channel can broadcast in HD. You need satellite, or digital cable (my choice).
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I have digital cable but my provider doesn't get it. Time to call dish.
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Who is your provider? VersusHD is one of the common ones I thought. One of the first ones that Time Warner got in HD.
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This is good news, but . . . For those of us whose HDTV is LCD (and not plasma), there tends to be some blur when live action is being covered by close cameras in motion. Shot of a flowing soccer game from a high, distant camera? Beautiful. Picture of a pitcher and batter from the center-field camera? Great. Shot of a small group out of the saddle and swaying back and forth on a climb from a camera five yards in front of them on the shoulder of a guy bumping arounds a motorcycle? I'll wait and see.
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Woohoo! Pixelated roads and drunks wearing thongs in HD!
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That's not plasma versus LCD per say. It's your response time. If you have an older HDTV the response time is likely to be poor. Most new ones are under 5ms, which is pretty good. Some of the nicer ones are 2ms.
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VS has a fairly nice hi-def signal. Their NHL feeds have been sweet. Better signal than NBC in clarity and color IMO. I though they did last year in HD as well? Those beautiful mountains will look very nice on my Pioneer 50" Kuro Elite.
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This put my wife and I over the edge and I placed an order for digital tier with HD Versus from the dreaded Time Warner Cable this morning. I blame you PCAD.

Now, if only Cervelo made a TI cyclocross bike and I could blame you for that too.
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Old 06-25-09, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by eriksbliss View Post
This is good news, but . . . For those of us whose HDTV is LCD (and not plasma), there tends to be some blur when live action is being covered by close cameras in motion. Shot of a flowing soccer game from a high, distant camera? Beautiful. Picture of a pitcher and batter from the center-field camera? Great. Shot of a small group out of the saddle and swaying back and forth on a climb from a camera five yards in front of them on the shoulder of a guy bumping arounds a motorcycle? I'll wait and see.
That's not plasma vs. LCD. That's the lack of adequate bandwidth of cable and satellite systems to resolve motion @ high resolution, hence the resulting low resolution pixelization of objects in motion. I don't get that pixelization on my LCD TV watching DVD's, or Blu-Ray, just cable broadcasts.
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That's not plasma vs. LCD. That's the lack of adequate bandwidth of cable and satellite systems to resolve motion @ high resolution, hence the resulting low resolution pixelization of objects in motion. I don't get that pixelization on my LCD TV watching DVD's, or Blu-Ray, just cable broadcasts.
Motion blur is not the same thing as compression artifacts. Just sayin'.

Earlier LCDs have indeed issues with fast action scenes.
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if I only had an HD TV
If I only had a TV. I'm looking forward to balky internet feeds with japanese commentary. that's how I watched the Giro
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Motion blur is not the same thing as compression artifacts. Just sayin'.

Earlier LCDs have indeed issues with fast action scenes.
+1

Even new low end LCDs without 120HZ technology show motion blur. Completely annoying once you get used to a 480HZ plasma.
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Hey esquire, do you live in a hotel room?
It was just some random pic I found on google. I live in a two story house with TVs in every room, lol...well except the bathroom.
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
That's not plasma vs. LCD. That's the lack of adequate bandwidth of cable and satellite systems to resolve motion @ high resolution, hence the resulting low resolution pixelization of objects in motion. I don't get that pixelization on my LCD TV watching DVD's, or Blu-Ray, just cable broadcasts.
Plasmas are going the way of the Dinosaurs but my plasma still performs better than my newer LCDs. As far as HD. Anyone who knocks it doesn't know any better because it is sublime. There are 2 people and a dog in my house with 5 HD flat panels which shows you how much I dig HD.
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
That's not plasma vs. LCD. That's the lack of adequate bandwidth of cable and satellite systems to resolve motion @ high resolution, hence the resulting low resolution pixelization of objects in motion. I don't get that pixelization on my LCD TV watching DVD's, or Blu-Ray, just cable broadcasts.
Oh no, I've gone cross-eyed.
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Based on the other "HD" broadcasts of bike races I've seen on Versus, this will be underwhelming. As others have written, the feed may not be real HD, especially the wide shots and the helicopter views. I don't fully understand the technology but HD can vary hugely. The Masters or Final Four on CBS are super sharp and vivid, while other HD sports seem to be just a larger picture.

In fact, many "stretch" the picture to fit the 16:9 ratio of big screens and distort it.
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Originally Posted by clausen View Post
+1

Even new low end LCDs without 120HZ technology show motion blur. Completely annoying once you get used to a 480HZ plasma.
I have a 120Hz LCD, don't notice this.

Watch slower stuff.
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Maybe TdF broadcast in HD means there will be a Blu-ray version of the Tour video?
I won't pay for cable, but those videos are great for making the time go by when on the trainer.
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Sweet! The DVR is already set.
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Now I just wish Universal would do cycling in HD.
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my digital cable is brighthouse, and according to them they cant yet get it in HD, somehting about contracts.
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
I have a 120Hz LCD, don't notice this.

Watch slower stuff.
120 HZ is the only way to go if you buy LCD, I made that mistake with my first HD TV. The slow stuff like nature shows are actually the worst for motion blur because of the higher details from rocks compared to constant color back drops of sports arenas. The tour should be great to see in HD, unfortunately I can't get it up here in Canada.
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