Hunt-man

No you dork I was referring to your anger.... so your sin. I like Lance. No anger on my side. Your multiple and ranting posts just prove my point and make you look irrational.

Reid Rothchild

Wow, you've gone off the deep end.

The guy posts about both of his parents, who have succumbed to this dread disease and you call him, and all the people who disagree with your cancer as personal drama scenario inconsequential?

Even Armstrong said that he prevailed over cancer because of the expertise of his doctors, the drugs he was given, and some intangible things that others may call luck. He credited science for his survival and noted that many decent people died and other miserable (such as himself) people survived.

He's negative? The guys parents died in middle age and you have to be right about your nonsense? If you disagree with him on such a personal matter, why don't you show some discretion?

Insensitive quote of the century!

The people who don't get this are inconsequential.

Good Lord!

Reid Rothchild

Whatever dude....

I'm not angry at all. I'm just pointing out the obvious, that you should have gotten from Hans Christian Andersen.

Look at some of Pcad's crazy posts where he's attacking a guy who lost both parents to cancer.

You have no problem with those?

Reid Rothchild

Nice! You're such a charitable person...

Of course LA had cancer, probably gave it to himself, what with all the steroids, cortisone, testosterone, Hgh and EPO he was taking. At least Fignon is honest with the public and himself to admit that his much lesser PED use is a possible cause of his cancer.

I never even mentioned Nike by name in any of my posts.

I will continue to say that LA's involvement in the charity is completely self serving. If as a side effect of shielding himself people are helped also, well, I'm sure he views it as a symbiotic relationship.

Continue as you were with the vitriol.

Reid Rothchild

Yeah, no anger but it's necessary to call me silly names.

Why don't you just go on and do your humanitarian works and forgive me for my "sins?"

bigfred 

Reid,

You might want to pick better examples than Mother Teresa. Using the same guilt by association that you subscribe to Lance, Mother Teresa was know to glad hand around on Charles Keating's private jet, that could very possible make her even worse than Lance when you see that the $1.5 million she recieved from him was in fact stolen from small investors. Hmmm, did she ever give any of those stolen funds back after Keating went to jail?

Howzit

English must be your second language. Please read the first sentence again, slowly, so your noggin comprehends what is being said. Here, ill make it easy for you, iv extracted the operative section; "........all the marketing Lance is doing............." The marketing Lance is involved with makes his will to survive all central and focal to the reason he survived. What he writes in his books and in interviews are what YOU are talking about. Im not talking about that. Im talking about all the posters, TV commercials, show appearances and all the BS he parades around doing.

Iv said it once, ill say it again;



Some people are finding that all the marketing Lance is doing is basically saying that it his will to survive that made him survive and nothing else. There is never anything Lance does or says that gives credit to his pharmacological treatment. Its all about him, and nothing else. That effectively implies that those that dont survive didnt have a will to live like he did?
The problem is that he is gallivanting around with an arrogance about his survival, that cancer has no match against his "iron" will, and not only that, no one in the Tour De France is serious about winning, only he is.

He just ought to be more gracious about his survival. I think thats what people are trying to say.

Reid Rothchild

Fred,

I wasn't the one who brought up Mother Teresa. At any rate, did she personally profit from her charitable works? Armstrong profits immensely.

Anyway, Mother Teresa won the Nobel Peace Prize and was beatified, and didn't live a life of luxury. It has also been revealed that she was a kind of tortured soul over her loss of faith during a large portion of her life. Saying LA is Mother Teresa on a bike is outright ridiculous.

bigfred 

Didn't realize someone else brought her up, but, you used her. Did she profit? That depends on how you want to define "profit", first class seating around the globe, donations to further her cause and subsequently her feeling of having done something good. Those aren't that different from some of the rewards that Lance is faulted for.

The truth remains that even though Lance and the Foundation aren't perfect, there are some very positive things occuring because of both of them, that otherwise wouldn't be. My surviving father-in-law amongst them.

CbadRider

Let's play nicely, guys. This thread is turning into something very much like P&R.

bigfred 

P&R, are you kidding? This is way more polarizing than anything in P&R. This is a thread that dares to use the word "Lance" in it's title..........

KiddSisko

Howzit

Your Farther in-law is a cancer survivor? If so, a cancer survivor because of Lance Armstrong?
Sorry, I just want to be clear this is what you are saying.

bigfred 

My father-in-law is in fact a cancer survivor and as of last month got the good news that his last series of tests came back good. He and his wife are currently off on a celebratory cruise. Attributed to Lance Armstrong? That depends on how much you want to value positive mental attitude, desire to succeed and will to live vs. medical science. I believe both play a significant role. And, I know that he wasn't a cyclist but started asking me questions about Lance after the holidays when he was diagnosed and about to start treatment. I know he followed the Tour Down Under(he lives in Melbourne) and read Lance's books amongst others. How much or how little that contributed to his recovery is inmaterial. The important thing is that he has survived and will hopefully continue to enjoy his life and contribute to the rest of ours. That's enough for me to say thanks to Lance and the Foundation if for no other reason than it showed to one individual person that cancer isn't a death sentence and that if he didn't give up, he could survive.

I'm sorry that others have lost their loved ones and that those individuals may feel that giving hope that you're somehow in control of your destiny is the wrong thing to do. I feel the opposite. I have seen two people, who didn't have cancer, die for no reason than they "gave up". The "will to live" is a powerful thing. And, something that I and quite a few others believe is worth encouraging in people. It's not the cure. But, it can be the straw that turns the scale one direction or the other.

patentcad

He's not my idol, but I do like what he's doing. You don't have to. That's fine.

LA's critics don't have to F off at all. They simply don't matter. He's not back on his bike for them.

Your rantings do speak for themselves. LA's actions do the same.

gabdy

No, No Nice!

gabdy

When did Lance get busted for cheating and have to hand back medals and titles?

rollin

The foundation has raised $250 million, that's some side effect. Wish more people were as self serving.

I don't idolise Lance. I respect what he has done with the foundation. If you don't then that's fine too.

F cancer

patentcad

You know Reid, I'm not back on my bike for guys like you either.

Just sayin'.

bigfred 

Do ya' have to swat at that nest?

Walter

This thread has long since served whatever purpose it might have had.