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New Nike Just Do It Spot with Lance.

Old 06-30-09, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by kwrides View Post
It's nice to know that you live in a world where everyone agrees with you 100% of the time or the "correctness" police will tell them what they can or can not say.

I live in the USA, where we're actually all allowed to have our own opinions.
it has nothing to do with my opinion. if ONE person says that their life is better as a result of watching that commercial and no one says that their life is worse as a result (which no one has and i'll use my arrogant, egoistic point of view and say that no one will say their life is worse as a result) then how can any LOGICAL person criticize it? What's your view on the millions of dollars and unquantifiable hope that Lance and consequently this spot provide?
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Originally Posted by efranko View Post
What's your view on the millions of dollars and unquantifiable hope that Lance and consequently this spot provide?
Correct.

That spot is by far the classiest and most effective F You to somebody's critics I have ever seen. Amazing.

Go Lance.
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Originally Posted by efranko View Post
it has nothing to do with my opinion. if ONE person says that their life is better as a result of watching that commercial and no one says that their life is worse as a result (which no one has and i'll use my arrogant, egoistic point of view and say that no one will say their life is worse as a result) then how can any LOGICAL person criticize it? What's your view on the millions of dollars and unquantifiable hope that Lance and consequently this spot provide?
You'll feel better if you quit arguing and just go ride.

There were people who complained about/criticized Mother Theresa. Do you really think that Lance is going to escape?

Some people hold others to standards of conduct and ideological purity that, if applied to the self, would drive them to go jump off a cliff in self hatred and disgust. However, being so far from perfect myself, and having no illusions about that fact, I am happily free to admire all that Lance has done for others.

It's a great ad, and the man is a champion. Now I've just got to figure out how to wrangle money for a Livestrong ride in the same month as an MS150 ride.

Eff 'em, man. It's not worth the time to argue. If Lance's actions can't win converts, typing on an internet forum isn't going to.
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Originally Posted by efranko View Post
it has nothing to do with my opinion. if ONE person says that their life is better as a result of watching that commercial and no one says that their life is worse as a result (which no one has and i'll use my arrogant, egoistic point of view and say that no one will say their life is worse as a result) then how can any LOGICAL person criticize it? What's your view on the millions of dollars and unquantifiable hope that Lance and consequently this spot provide?
So if one person thinks it has made their life better then no one can say they don't like the commercial? And that's "logical"?
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I never followed all the dirty details about Lance. All I know is he's an incredible athlete and he's helping others. That's good enough for me.

And just to stay on topic, great commercial.
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Originally Posted by Banzai View Post
You'll feel better if you quit arguing and just go ride.

There were people who complained about/criticized Mother Theresa. Do you really think that Lance is going to escape?

Some people hold others to standards of conduct and ideological purity that, if applied to the self, would drive them to go jump off a cliff in self hatred and disgust. However, being so far from perfect myself, and having no illusions about that fact, I am happily free to admire all that Lance has done for others.

It's a great ad, and the man is a champion. Now I've just got to figure out how to wrangle money for a Livestrong ride in the same month as an MS150 ride.

Eff 'em, man. It's not worth the time to argue. If Lance's actions can't win converts, typing on an internet forum isn't going to.

thank you for reminding me of this, it's sometimes hard to remember
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Lance is doing great work with the cancer charity, but don't leave out the other cycling greats that also have charities.

Tyler Hamiliton Foundation-

Floyd Landis Foundation-
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Originally Posted by Erzulis Boat View Post
Lance is doing great work with the cancer charity, but don't leave out the other cycling greats that also have charities.

Tyler Hamiliton Foundation-

Floyd Landis Foundation-
Before you lump Lance in with the two proven dopers, cite for us, if you will, the failed doping control tests and the authority that sanctioned Mr. Armstrong for any alleged offense.

Oh you can't do that because you're pulling allegations out of your ass again?

In that case it might be more effective to STFU.
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Originally Posted by Banzai View Post

There were people who complained about/criticized Mother Theresa. Do you really think that Lance is going to escape?
That Mother Theresa was a helluva little climber, but I hear she was a doper.
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
Correct.

That spot is by far the classiest and most effective F You to somebody's critics I have ever seen. Amazing.

Go Lance.

Best ad since the "This is my body...what am I on?" ads.

I have that poster. I was stunned a little while back to see what people were willing to bid on it on Ebay. Not mine, but since it's out of print it's apparently become a collectable.

As is Oakley's "Impossibility Defeated" poster after the '99 TdF.

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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
Before you lump Lance in with the two proven dopers, cite for us, if you will, the failed doping control tests and the authority that sanctioned Mr. Armstrong for any alleged offense.

Oh you can't do that because you're pulling allegations out of your ass again?

In that case it might be more effective to STFU.
They are not proven dopers. Both Tyler and Floyd have clearly stated that they were set up, and the tests were manipulated.
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Originally Posted by Erzulis Boat View Post
They are not proven dopers. Both Tyler and Floyd have clearly stated that they were set up, and the tests were manipulated.
Proven to who? You? Nobody cares what you or I think about this. As far as the cycling authorities are concerned, they are proven dopers. They FAILED doping tests. Armstrong did not.

A subtle distinction, but hopefully one that you can grasp. Your statement is silly, like saying that all the inmates in San Quentin are innocent because they all say that they are.
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Before you lump Lance in with the two proven dopers, cite for us, if you will, the failed doping control tests and the authority that sanctioned Mr. Armstrong for any alleged offense.

Oh you can't do that because you're pulling allegations out of your ass again?

In that case it might be more effective to STFU.
Don't feed the troll...
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Proven to who? You? Nobody cares what you or I think about this. As far as the cycling authorities are concerned, they are proven dopers. They FAILED doping tests. Armstrong did not.

A subtle distinction, but hopefully one that you can grasp. Your statement is silly, like saying that all the inmates in San Quentin are innocent because they all say that they are.
Really...don't feed the troll.

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Really...don't feed the troll.

But RW, it's lunch time.
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I lost my mom to breast cancer 9 years ago and this ad hit me hard. I will always respect Lance for his effort to help those living and recovering from cancer. Middle finger in the air and gripping his ball to all his critics.

Going to check out that album, have not hear of Mogwai until now.
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Originally Posted by Erzulis Boat View Post
Lance is doing great work with the cancer charity, but don't leave out the other cycling greats that also have charities.

Tyler Hamiliton Foundation-

Floyd Landis Foundation-
And I say good for them. I don't really care what their pasts are, just as I don't care about LA's. IF they are doing good for people, they deserve respect for that.
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That Mother Theresa was a helluva little climber, but I hear she was a doper.
ever notice how pantani and ghandi look alike?




coincidence**********?
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That Ghandi was a doper too. But he had a ton of Zen and Kharma, so it didn't matter.
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^^^ remove the earrings, turn to sepia, and let's have a look.
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There.
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(My apologies, in advance, for such a long post. I guess I had more on my mind than I expected.)

I've been away from Bike Forums for a few days, so I just read this thread from start to finish. And I'm not too proud to admit that I was crying while doing so.

A little over 10 years ago, my mom discovered a lump between her chest and armpit. At first we were afraid that it was breast cancer. However she was diagnosed with Hodgkin's Lymphoma, a type of cancer that is related to the white blood cells and the lymph nodes. She had a port surgically installed near her collarbone, to make it easier to receive the chemotherapy chemicals. During her treatment, she experienced the typical side effects such as weakness, nausea, vomiting, and hair loss. Watching someone you love going through all that, while wondering if they'll make it, isn't easy. It was quite a relief when she made progress, and was eventually given a clean bill of health.

That's why it was such a punch in the gut when she was diagnosed with colon cancer a few years later. This time the treatment was surgical. What was supposed to be a one week recovery in the hospital turned in to two weeks, three weeks, four weeks... Finally, after a month and a half, my family insisted upon having her discharged from the hospital so she could recover at home. Such a long recovery not only takes it's toll on the patient, but also on the friends and family. Thankfully, through a combination of the right medical treatment, support from loved ones, and no shortage of determination on my mom's part, she was able to pull through again. Today she is still here, enriching the lives of her family (especially her grandchildren), friends, and congregation (she's a minister).

But not everyone is so lucky. Just this month, I have gone to two memorial services: one for the mother of a riding buddy, and the other for one of my bosses from my first job (when I started at the age of 14). Both women were taken by cancer.

Around the end of December in 2007, I decided to participate in the LiveStrong Challenge near my home. I felt like it was a good cause to support, and I also felt that it would be a way to use my cycling to benefit others, rather than doing it for just my own enjoyment.

In all honesty, though, I debated whether to choose the LiveStrong Challenge, or one for a similar charity such as the American Cancer Society. "Did he, or didn't he dope?" I wondered. I decided that ultimately, to the people who are battling cancer day in and day out, that's not relevant. They don't care whether he rides a Trek or a Giant, Shimano or Campy, carbon or ti, or any of the details that we bike weenies often obsess about.

What they do care about is seeing an example of someone who beat the odds that were heavily stacked against him, and who is living a full, healthy life today. USA Today had an article describing how Lance's book It's Not About the Bike is often referred to by some cancer patients simply as "the book", in almost reverent tones. As in, "Have you read 'the book' yet?" Hope and inspiration, regardless of where you get it from, is essential whether you're talking about medical treatments or just day to day life.

As someone noted previously, it is possible to separate "Lance the Athlete" from "Lance the Anti-Cancer Crusader". Did he or didn't dope? I still don't know, nor do I feel that the allegations have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. But I do know that he is one of the most highly recognized examples of a successful cancer survivor, who many, many people look to for inspiration, hope, and encouragement. Brad Roe of Road Bike Action wrote an excellent article explaining many of the same sentiments here. And that's why I am okay with my decision to put my time and effort in to supporting the Lance Armstrong Foundation.
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As a side note, my personal experience at last year's LiveStrong Challenge ended up being much more meaningful than I had expected. To make a long story short, my doctor was worried that I might have some cardiopulmonary issues, and he had me hospitalized for testing two days before the event. Being stuck in the hospital from Friday afternoon to Saturday drove me absolutely crazy! I have no idea how my mom dealt with six weeks of that! Any way, I was discharged from the hospital early Saturday afternoon. I rode my bike about 20 miles round trip to pick up the registration packet. The simple sensations of feeling the breeze while gliding along in the warm summer sunshine felt so good - talk about putting the importance of good health in perspective!

Later that night, I had an experience that could only be described as a volcanic intestinal purging that would rival an exorcism; perhaps hospital food really does deserve it's reputation! Lots of fluids and Imodium allowed me to take the start line Sunday morning. Despite being stung by a bee (I'm allergic), the first 50 miles went by alright, and a friend commented that I was actually looking pretty strong.

The next 50 miles, however, were quite a different story: turn out the lights, the party's over. The Imodium had slowed down my digestive system, and I wasn't absorbing the water and nutrients as I needed. During the second half of the ride, the tank was empty. I was getting dehydrated, cramping, and stopping on hills that I'd normally climb without a second thought.

At one point, I was stopped by the side of the road, slumped over my bike, straddling the top tube, with my head in my hands on the handlebars. A line of traffic had stopped as the state police were marshaling riders through the intersection. As I waited on the side of the road, trying to summon the strength to go on, a man in a car commented, "Come on buddy - if Lance can do it, you can do it!" I'm never going to forget that moment. Without lifting my head, I gave a weak thumbs up - and I eventually finished. I was probably DFL, but I'm as proud of that ride as I am of finishing the Assault on Mt. Mitchel, riding up Alpe d'Huez, or lapping the field solo in a collegiate criterium.

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