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New Nike Just Do It Spot with Lance.

Old 06-30-09, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadSTPhilly View Post
Yes its win win if you presume that Nike is doing this because they love Lance and hate cancer. On the other hand if they are doing it to create brand loyalty from people who have been deeply affected by the scourge of cancer so they can make future profit well then it seems somewhat dishonorable.
Look how many people still think they are helping Americans by buying from Walmart.
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Originally Posted by BroadSTPhilly View Post
Yes its win win if you presume that Nike is doing this because they love Lance and hate cancer. On the other hand if they are doing it to create brand loyalty from people who have been deeply affected by the scourge of cancer so they can make future profit well then it seems somewhat dishonorable.
So, if Nike gets rich off of cancer, but that helps find a cure for cancer, that's a bad thing?

Yeah, I'd like to be in that meeting.

Lance: Ok all of you with cancer. We found a cure. But, we found it with money raised by Nike, and they did make a huge profit off of my whole Livestrong foundation.

Cancer people: Oh, well, burn it, we don't want it.
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What if they don't find a cure but they still get rich?

There are two sides to everything.
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that dude's shoulder... that's what made me get the chills.

lance who?
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Originally Posted by kwrides View Post
What if they don't find a cure but they still get rich?

There are two sides to everything.
First, find a cure was being used as a generality. They do more than look for a cure with the foundation. People are helped every day via the foundation.

Second, the concept of not doing something because it might fail is a sad one.

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Originally Posted by roadwarrior View Post
My cousin, after going through a double mastectomy is now going through her third round of chemo. Her tumor markers went up again. She had just grown all her hair back. Now it's all gone again.

She wears her Livestrong hat to cover her head. She's really excited to be able to see Lance race again next month.

Both her sisters are dead from cancer. Her father as well.

When people snicker about Lance, I tell them this story.

To my cousin, Lance is a hero.

That's what matters.

And there lies the problem. If Lance is popped for doping all is ruined...... Hes preached that anything is possible if you put your mind to it. What if this is true? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._A._Confidentiel
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Originally Posted by Tulex View Post
First, fine a cure was being used as a generality. They do more than look for a cure with the foundation. People are helped every day via the foundation.

Second, the concept of not doing something because it might fail is a sad one.
I did not mean to imply we should not cure cancer and I do give to LS and wear a band. I was simply addressing the comment that implied, to me, "it's ok if they get rich by tugging on people's heartstrings if they find a cure".
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Originally Posted by BroadSTPhilly View Post
Yes its win win if you presume that Nike is doing this because they love Lance and hate cancer. On the other hand if they are doing it to create brand loyalty from people who have been deeply affected by the scourge of cancer so they can make future profit well then it seems somewhat dishonorable.
So if I use your logic it's bad to be a pharmaceutical company because it's a fact that their desire to find a cure and/or relief to life’s ailments is strictly profit driven.
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Whoa, hold the phone -- you mean Lance used to have cancer?

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Here's an interesting aspect of this (at least to me): does Lance get a pass from the American media because he had cancer and has done so much to help the anti-cancer campaign? How much of a pass should he get, or anyone get, because of their good works, or because of the circumstances they have overcome? If Lance is "arrogant," or "a doper," or "a fraud" -- that's an "if," as reasonable minds may differ on what he is -- is that all okay because of what he's been through, and what he has done for others? At what point does the credit of his good deeds and his personal history run out? What license should he have because he is "back on his bike" for a larger purpose?
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Originally Posted by eriksbliss View Post
Whoa, hold the phone -- you mean Lance used to have cancer?

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Here's an interesting aspect of this (at least to me): does Lance get a pass from the American media because he had cancer and has done so much to help the anti-cancer campaign? How much of a pass should he get, or anyone get, because of their good works, or because of the circumstances they have overcome? If Lance is "arrogant," or "a doper," or "a fraud" -- that's an "if," as reasonable minds may differ on what he is -- is that all okay because of what he's been through, and what he has done for others? At what point does the credit of his good deeds and his personal history run out? What license should he have because he is "back on his bike" for a larger purpose?
Oh God will you just stop.
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Originally Posted by BroadSTPhilly View Post
Presumably they are selling the Nike brand. I am not a Lance hater nor am I indifferent to the plight of those who fight or have fought cancer. Nevertheless doesn't it bother you even if just a bit to have Lance and Cancer exploited to sell Nike products. Anyone?
Not even a little bit.
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Excellent.
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
Oh God will you just stop.
Why? These aren't the sorts of questions you find worth considering (as self-indulgent and pseudo-philosophical as I may have phrased them)? I expected more from you PCad. You don't seem like the kind of guy who would blindly love Lance like so many others blindly hate him.
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Originally Posted by BroadSTPhilly View Post
Presumably they are selling the Nike brand. I am not a Lance hater nor am I indifferent to the plight of those who fight or have fought cancer. Nevertheless doesn't it bother you even if just a bit to have Lance and Cancer exploited to sell Nike products. Anyone?
The last time I bought a pair of Nike shoes was several years ago, and that was because they fit me the best. Likewise, the last time I bought Oakley or Giro products was around 2002 or so. Now I use Smith sunglasses and Bell helmets because they fit better, last longer, or are better values for my money. While I appreciate the efforts that Nike, Giro, and Oakley (and possibly other companies as well) put towards supporting the Lance Armstrong Foundation, and it may help to initially catch my interest some of their products, ultimately I'm going to spend my money on what fits, works well, and/or is a good value.
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That ad blows, how cheesy are you to get "chills" out of that.
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Originally Posted by eriksbliss View Post
I expected more from you PCad.
That's your first mistake.

But I get the distinct impression it won't be your last.

Just ride your bike, and try not to get hit by the bus.
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Originally Posted by Cue View Post
That ad blows, how cheesy are you to get "chills" out of that.
Being despised by imbeciles is its own reward.
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Being despised by imbeciles is its own reward.
How is it imbecilic not to be swayed by an emotion-ridden propaganda? Your compensatory response by calling me imbecile is ironic, is this how you delude yourself?
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I wish there was no doping in sports, but that's just a wishful thinking.
In this world of win at any cost and devil take the hindmost I like the idea of a super-champion.
Like Lance Armstrong. He's neither a saint nor a role model for nice guys.
What he is is a winner, an individual in a mass market world. He's beaten cancer, his doped up sports rivals (repeatedly), a shady dope testing system, and vindictive "sports writers".
Is he in it for himself? For sure. But his "leftovers" have helped a lot of people that might have otherwise been left for dead.
A great guy? Can't say, never met him.
A great champion? For sure.
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Originally Posted by eriksbliss View Post
Whoa, hold the phone -- you mean Lance used to have cancer?

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Here's an interesting aspect of this (at least to me): does Lance get a pass from the American media because he had cancer and has done so much to help the anti-cancer campaign? How much of a pass should he get, or anyone get, because of their good works, or because of the circumstances they have overcome? If Lance is "arrogant," or "a doper," or "a fraud" -- that's an "if," as reasonable minds may differ on what he is -- is that all okay because of what he's been through, and what he has done for others? At what point does the credit of his good deeds and his personal history run out? What license should he have because he is "back on his bike" for a larger purpose?
Jeezus erik, you talk as if Lance is "evil". He never did anything "bad" in his life as compared to OJ or Michael Jackson the pedophile. Arrogance is key to a champion's winning. Just watched Blood, Sweat and Gears and they point out how Christian V. lacked that instinct most of his career and therefore was relegated to a domestique until 2008. Ask those that played with Jordan if he were a "nice" guy.
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Originally Posted by Cue View Post
How is it imbecilic not to be swayed by an emotion-ridden propaganda? Your compensatory response by calling me imbecile is ironic, is this how you delude yourself?
You are right, you should feel nothing when you see the man with the prosthetic leg realize that he is able to run again. Why should you?

I know you, you are the guy who wants to be perceived as intellectually above those feelings and I am sure you enjoy the sensation that you are always the smartest man in the room, no matter the room, but how is it that you are just cynical enough to recognize how "cheesy" that ad is, yet not nearly cynical enough to recognize your own pretense?
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You are right, you should feel nothing when you see the man with the prosthetic leg realize that he is able to run again. Why should you?
I give compassion when it's proper, your situation is proper, the Nike ad is not.

Originally Posted by Dantebfd View Post
I know you, you are the guy who wants to be perceived as intellectually above those feelings and I am sure you enjoy the sensation that you are always the smartest man in the room, no matter the room, but how is it that you are just cynical enough to recognize how "cheesy" that ad is, yet not nearly cynical enough to recognize your own pretense?
No, you don't know me, and it helps if you avoid the pretentious generalization of assuming how someone is based on two posts.
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Originally Posted by BroadSTPhilly View Post
Yes its win win if you presume that Nike is doing this because they love Lance and hate cancer. On the other hand if they are doing it to create brand loyalty from people who have been deeply affected by the scourge of cancer so they can make future profit well then it seems somewhat dishonorable.
Are you daft?

NIKE makes ZERO $$$ off of the LIVESTRONG Collection!!! Zip...Zero.

NIKE AND LANCE ARMSTRONG LAUNCH LIVESTRONG COLLECTION WITH ALL PROFITS GOING TO THE LANCE ARMSTRONG FOUNDATION

Now that doesn't mean the company receives no benefit whatsoever. The PR benefit alone is huge. But to say there is some sort of dishonor involved is ludicrous.
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Originally Posted by BroadSTPhilly View Post
Yes its win win if you presume that Nike is doing this because they love Lance and hate cancer. On the other hand if they are doing it to create brand loyalty from people who have been deeply affected by the scourge of cancer so they can make future profit well then it seems somewhat dishonorable.

Only to you....I suspect Nike has donated more to cancer research than you will make even if you live for 20 lifetimes.
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Out of all of the trolling and Lance hating going on in this thread, I can say one thing:

Everyone who has posted stories of their cancer, loved ones cancer, or anything else related to cancer, thank you for sharing. It is inspiring to hear your stories. Cancer is a club that I would never hope to join, but it is a club that is filled with some amazing people.
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