New Nike Just Do It Spot with Lance.
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To all the pessimists who are so absolutely convinced the man is a cheater: Prove it or STFU!
Good night, I have zero tolerance for arguing with anonymous characters on the internet.
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Are you daft?
NIKE makes ZERO $$$ off of the LIVESTRONG Collection!!! Zip...Zero.
NIKE AND LANCE ARMSTRONG LAUNCH LIVESTRONG COLLECTION WITH ALL PROFITS GOING TO THE LANCE ARMSTRONG FOUNDATION
Now that doesn't mean the company receives no benefit whatsoever. The PR benefit alone is huge. But to say there is some sort of dishonor involved is ludicrous.
NIKE makes ZERO $$$ off of the LIVESTRONG Collection!!! Zip...Zero.
NIKE AND LANCE ARMSTRONG LAUNCH LIVESTRONG COLLECTION WITH ALL PROFITS GOING TO THE LANCE ARMSTRONG FOUNDATION
Now that doesn't mean the company receives no benefit whatsoever. The PR benefit alone is huge. But to say there is some sort of dishonor involved is ludicrous.
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Hey guys, lets direct a significant portion of labor and capital towards something that's for a good cause but won't give us any brand loyalty or good PR. Okay cool I'll go tell the shareholders how we're going to waste their money.
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Considering everything Nike has done for Lance and Livestrong, I'd say Nike has earned all of that brand loyalty. Charity for everything from cancer and all kinds of medical research to education depends heavily on corporate largess. Take that away and all these foundations would have half the money. So if corporations make some money in return, I'd say that's win-win.
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Well, we can go off in that direction if you want, and I'm glad your stocks are doing well, but a company with that kind of influence on the market, and one that employs greeters who used to be small business owners that were driven out of the market by their new employer....that's not helping Americans as much as concentrating vast amounts of wealth in the hands of a few, namely the Walton kids. Buying at Walmart does help those Americans.
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Well, we can go off in that direction if you want, and I'm glad your stocks are doing well, but a company with that kind of influence on the market, and one that employs greeters who used to be small business owners that were driven out of the market by their new employer....that's not helping Americans as much as concentrating vast amounts of wealth in the hands of a few, namely the Walton kids. Buying at Walmart does help those Americans.
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pcad, i'm going to add you as my friend on facebook.
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Out of all of the trolling and Lance hating going on in this thread, I can say one thing:
Everyone who has posted stories of their cancer, loved ones cancer, or anything else related to cancer, thank you for sharing. It is inspiring to hear your stories. Cancer is a club that I would never hope to join, but it is a club that is filled with some amazing people.
Everyone who has posted stories of their cancer, loved ones cancer, or anything else related to cancer, thank you for sharing. It is inspiring to hear your stories. Cancer is a club that I would never hope to join, but it is a club that is filled with some amazing people.
We should all be thankful, cancer survivors or not, of the interest Lance raised in this disease.
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I agree, Lance has done so much for the fight against cancer. Not only bringing awareness to the public about the disease but also giving hope to those who have cancer. Even in this thread fellow BFers gave examples of how Lance has inspired them or people close to them.
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After all these years I'm a little burned out on the Lance hype machine but I'm still a fan of this war on cancer.
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I usually can't stand cancer survivors, but for some reason Lance doesn't bother me as much as the usual survivor.
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Even if it was that's still one of the most despicable posts I've seen.
Late getting here, but thanks for posting the link Pcad. And thank-you to those who shared their stories. It's cliched, but it makes me realize just how small any of the problems I have actually are.
Late getting here, but thanks for posting the link Pcad. And thank-you to those who shared their stories. It's cliched, but it makes me realize just how small any of the problems I have actually are.
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If it was meant as anything else, well, then I shouldn't write anything further.
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A friend of mine with two young boys is currently undergoing chemo for a brain tumor. Talk about a perspective check. Whining about something like a scratch on the side of my car sounds very trite by comparison.
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Cheesy commercial.
Pretty pathetic.
Feel good story, inter-spliced clips of him riding his bike with people in hospital.
Lots of camera shake to add a sense of "speed".
Create a "victim" out of Lance, then build him up to be a hero by saying "I dont do it for them' at the end. Good play on the gun slinging I dont give an F yankee attitude.
Very formulaic, predictable. From his opening line, "critics say... blah, blah" I knew the closing line would be something like, "but I dont care" or "but i dont do it for blah, blah"
I give it a 2 out of 10. And the 2 is for color correction on the footage.
The wool is pulled over you.
Amusing peasants.
Marketing I admit is a powerful tool.
Pretty pathetic.
Feel good story, inter-spliced clips of him riding his bike with people in hospital.
Lots of camera shake to add a sense of "speed".
Create a "victim" out of Lance, then build him up to be a hero by saying "I dont do it for them' at the end. Good play on the gun slinging I dont give an F yankee attitude.
Very formulaic, predictable. From his opening line, "critics say... blah, blah" I knew the closing line would be something like, "but I dont care" or "but i dont do it for blah, blah"
I give it a 2 out of 10. And the 2 is for color correction on the footage.
The wool is pulled over you.
Amusing peasants.
Marketing I admit is a powerful tool.
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Yeah, why would you want to remain loyal to a brand that contributed 100's of millions of dollars to fight cancer. An effort that has saved an untold number of lives already and counting. I really can't believe how stupid you sound. Some people are so bitter it's unbelievable...I've heard some pretty AFLD'ish comments before but this one takes the cake. (well maybe not as much as that ***** above who hates cancer survivors) but pretty close.
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Here's why I usually can't stand cancer survivors: they are often totally insensitive to those who didn't make it. They usually credit one of two things for why they survived. Either they fought really hard, or they prayed really hard and god saved them. They will tell you all about both of those things, in excruciating, self-congratulatory detail. If that doesn't describe any of you here or your relatives you are writing about, then great: you're not the kind of survivor I'm talking about. But you know the ones I am talking about. We encounter their stories every day.
Well...by telling us how they beat cancer, by creating the myth that one is in charge of his own destiny against cancer and that it's all about the personal fight against it and that's what will beat it, what does that say about the people who didn't make it? I guess they just didn't fight hard enough or just didn't pray hard enough.
I've seen a lot of cancer in my friends and family, and I'm here to tell you that the idea above is crap. For your consideration: I buried my mother at 49 and my father at 58. Both lived very healthy lifestyles. Both followed all their doctor's advice and suffered through chemo. Both fought hard. Both prayed to their god and had the support of their communities. Neither lived more than a year after diagnosis.
So to be bombarded with the American cancer myth, the concept that all one needs to do to survive is fight hard and pray is terribly insulting. (America's cancer myth is kind of like the "American Dream" concept that if one tries hard, he will be a success and the flip side of that is of course the attitude that those who aren't successful have no one to blame but themselves because they just haven't tried hard enough in life. yeah, sure, that explains everything.)
From what I've seen out there, I'm pretty convinced it's just pretty much luck if one beats cancer or not. To take credit for saving oneself or inspiring another person to save themselves is a little too much for those of us whose loved ones didn't survive to stomach. Call that attitude despicable if you want, but it's one that's been dumped on me. Trust me, I'd much rather not have had the experiences that have led me to adopt that attitude.
The bottom line to me is that cancer sucks and the focus needs to be on research and prevention and truly effective treatments, not personal motivational bs and prayer. Actual scientific research is what will save people of the future. Cancer needs to be seen as a science problem, a research problem, a societal problem, a global crisis, and so on... and not be viewed as a series of singular personal struggles.
Well...by telling us how they beat cancer, by creating the myth that one is in charge of his own destiny against cancer and that it's all about the personal fight against it and that's what will beat it, what does that say about the people who didn't make it? I guess they just didn't fight hard enough or just didn't pray hard enough.
I've seen a lot of cancer in my friends and family, and I'm here to tell you that the idea above is crap. For your consideration: I buried my mother at 49 and my father at 58. Both lived very healthy lifestyles. Both followed all their doctor's advice and suffered through chemo. Both fought hard. Both prayed to their god and had the support of their communities. Neither lived more than a year after diagnosis.
So to be bombarded with the American cancer myth, the concept that all one needs to do to survive is fight hard and pray is terribly insulting. (America's cancer myth is kind of like the "American Dream" concept that if one tries hard, he will be a success and the flip side of that is of course the attitude that those who aren't successful have no one to blame but themselves because they just haven't tried hard enough in life. yeah, sure, that explains everything.)
From what I've seen out there, I'm pretty convinced it's just pretty much luck if one beats cancer or not. To take credit for saving oneself or inspiring another person to save themselves is a little too much for those of us whose loved ones didn't survive to stomach. Call that attitude despicable if you want, but it's one that's been dumped on me. Trust me, I'd much rather not have had the experiences that have led me to adopt that attitude.
The bottom line to me is that cancer sucks and the focus needs to be on research and prevention and truly effective treatments, not personal motivational bs and prayer. Actual scientific research is what will save people of the future. Cancer needs to be seen as a science problem, a research problem, a societal problem, a global crisis, and so on... and not be viewed as a series of singular personal struggles.
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The truth
I am sure your cancer was most probably not caused in part by Growth Hormones to win bike races
I am compassionate for people who dont hide doping lies from people who want to believe in real hope.
Yes Lance can do it, he hired the best doctors in the world to get him there.
And the rest of the profits they get for spreading their brand world wide and plastering their Nike logo everywhere for the rest of their products?
And sure they dont get the profits for LIVESTRONG, its costing them next to nothing to make it using kids in China. Hope you like your new Nike products. Maybe when some kid in China gets cancer from breathing toxins from the factories you can run there with your yellow bands and pay for his hospital bills??
This is correct. You are awake.
As one who rode his bike and then came home and threw up from the chemo while still trying to catch my breath; and as one who crashed hard between my 8th and 9th chemo session and hobbled into the chemo room on crutches; to you, sir, I say that you are a complete idiot. Spend some time in the hospital contemplating a long, slow death from cancer and then come back and tell me it's just "marketing."
And sure they dont get the profits for LIVESTRONG, its costing them next to nothing to make it using kids in China. Hope you like your new Nike products. Maybe when some kid in China gets cancer from breathing toxins from the factories you can run there with your yellow bands and pay for his hospital bills??
This is correct. You are awake.