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Boston Based Cyclists! Where the crap is a good place to live in the area?

Old 07-01-09, 10:23 PM
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Boston Based Cyclists! Where the crap is a good place to live in the area?

My woman is going to grad school at UMass Boston, and I'll be moving in with her. We're looking for a place that allows me to train without hitting 1000 traffic lights/stop signs per ride. Along the red line would be peachy, so the woman can get to class quickly and frugally. We've been checking out some listings in Quincy. What say you about that area? Any better recommendations? Keep in mind that we've got a limited budget.

Thank you kindly.
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See if ya can swing something in Brookline (more $ than Quincy)...reasonably quick access to some good riding from there...I'm not too up on Quincy/South Shore...also, consider Somerville (hey Independent Fab can't be wrong_ or maybe Medford -- Redline to Porter Sq or Davis Sq -- or Arlington if you can get a place near Alewife...
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Hey, I was the News Editor at the UMass Boston paper last semester.

Anyways, I usually do loops around the Charles River when the city isn't cutting it. It's give or take 20 or so miles with little interruption other than crossing a few streets.
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Originally Posted by Luminaire Light
Hey, I was the News Editor at the UMass Boston paper last semester.

Anyways, I usually do loops around the Charles River when the city isn't cutting it. It's give or take 20 or so miles with little interruption other than crossing a few streets.
On the street or on sidewalks/pathways? I went to college across the river from the Hatch Shell and I rode on the pathways along Memorial Drive and on Storrow Drive (but not for a serious workout...more for commuting), but, I did not ride on the street until I reached Watertown...

KP, you might consider Cambridge too as it has access to the Redline and reasonably quick access out of the city, but, it is likely pricier than Quincy...if you have some flexibility, also think about parts of Belmont near Alewife Station...Belmont has great access to some terrific riding...
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I live in downtown Boston and usually ride north/west of the city. There are 70-80 traffic lights between my front door and Arlington or Belmont when the roads start to open up(yes I counted once). I do not like to ride along the Charles because of all the runners and dog walkers. I would look on the red line north of the city. Check out Porter Square and Davis Square. Hope your not moving from somewhere warm and dry, that would be mighty depressing.
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Not that it's totally relevant.........but I am a museum afficianado, and have visited the finest throughout the entire World (no kidding) and the Boston Museum of Art ranks in the top 3. Absolutely classy and intimate. Enjoy your stay!
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Museums are pits of despair, and are of no more use to me than Bea Arthur's merkin or the lifetime network.

Unless there are dinosaur skeletons. Dinosaur skeletons are second only to monster truck shows. **** yeah dinosaurs!


Actually, as much as I really don't want to live in a city, I am looking forward to having all that culture at my fingertips.
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Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
Museums are pits of despair, and are of no more use to me than Bea Arthur's merkin or the lifetime network.

Unless there are dinosaur skeletons. Dinosaur skeletons are second only to monster truck shows. **** yeah dinosaurs!


Actually, as much as I really don't want to live in a city, I am looking forward to having all that culture at my fingertips.

Unless I am on crack, they have the Monet of his wife in the Kimono right on the wall maybe 5 feet in front of you.........mindblowing.

They also have Egyptian works that can be checked out 360 degrees so you can see the erased cartouches. Insanely cool.

One of the few museums in the World where you can actually get close to check out the details.

BTW- The Louvre is a turd in the scheme of things, and ranks maybe 20 or so on my list.
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Milton, (next to Quincy) has some nice hill rides around the Blue Hills reservation and is connected to Quincy and the Neponset area of Dorchester, with a MUP. It is adjacent to Hyde Park and J.P., where it is connected by the Emerald Necklace Parkways system to other parts of Boston like Brookline and Newton. The Parkways are also nice for fast rides with varied terrain and limited stop lights. There are several riding groups based in Milton, catering to different ability levels. Rental housing is a little thin in the town, but as you are looking in Quincy, consider it an extention to it. I commuted to downtown Boston, from Milton, on a nine mile (one way) route that included about 1/3 of it on a MUP. Milton is also serviced by an historic trolley line that connects to the Ashmont side of the Red line.
Actually, compared with many cities in the Northeast, I find Most of Metropolitan Boston pretty bike friendly. The scale of the city allows for easy access to the other trails and routes mentioned from almost any other area.
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Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
My woman is going to grad school at UMass Boston, and I'll be moving in with her. We're looking for a place that allows me to train without hitting 1000 traffic lights/stop signs per ride. Along the red line would be peachy, so the woman can get to class quickly and frugally. We've been checking out some listings in Quincy. What say you about that area? Any better recommendations? Keep in mind that we've got a limited budget...
Hi KP,

I note that you post from "on the road," so I wonder what kind of cultural and "sticker" shock you will encounter here in Boston. I'm sure cost and convenience will be especially stong considerations in where to live, much less where to cycle. I'm an early morning commuter but even after 6 AM, the city streets get too congested for non-stop travel. FYA, I posted recently to another thread from a Hawaiian transplant living in Saugus about where to ride in Boston. Of note, one nice feature here is that you can take your bike on the commuter rail under certain conditions and get way out of town quickly into some nice bicycling territory.

Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
Welcome to Boston and environs; I love riding in and around this town. I'm a year round commuter from Kenmore Square downtown to Norwood 14 miles southwest of Boston and an ocasional centurian. Just this Sunday I rode through Saugus on my way back to Boston on a 60 mile RT ride up the coast to Marblehead. IMO Boston has a pretty large contingent of subscribers to BF, so I hope some others post as well, though I'm not sure how many read this particular Forum [Northeast Regional]. Maybe you might want to post to the Road or Commuting Forums as well.

For some generalities, my favorite map is the AAA road map of metropolitan Boston. I think of the area in sectors radiating from downtown and surrounded by a circumferential belt about 10 to 15 miles from Downtown, known as Route 128 ("America's Technology Highway"). Unfortunately, 128 is a barrier to get through, especially on hair-raising roads that serve as feeders to the entrance ramps; over- and underpasses are more pleasant. All the riding is markedly better outside of 128, but the city and inner suburbs are nice and interesting. I'm an early mornng rider so I don't see the worst and my view may be through rose-colored glasses. .

Even though I've lived here for over 30 years, I always get lost on a new ride. Streets are laid out in a haphazard fashion; many streets, particularly the one you are riding on are not marked; they surreptiously change names; and in rotary intersections it's easy to lose your sense of direction. (I don't have a GPS.) On a happier note, the Transportation Authority (MBTA) allows bikes on subways and commuter trains with certain restrictions and that's a nice way to get out of town without city riding.

I would describe the sectors as (mostly for road riding outside of Rte 128):

North Shore: Beautiful Atlantic coastline, especially north of Lynn, to include Nahant, Marblehead and Marblehead Neck, on through Salem, Beverly and into ritzy Beverly Farms, and up to seafaring Gloucester, Rockport, Ipswich, etc.

Northern Suburbs: Lynnfield, Reading, Wilmington, Woburn, down through Winchester, etc: Pleasant suburban to rural inland roads.

Western: Lincoln, Lexington, Concord, Wayland, etc: Very ritzy, buccolic and historic; very popular for riding. This area IMO has the steepest hills.

Metrowest: Framingham, Natick; pleasant suburbs though pretty commercial along Rte 9

Southwest: Needham, Wellesley, Dover, Medfield, Walpole, Westwood, etc: probably more popular than the western burbs; wealthy exurban to rural, moderately hilly country roads, horse farms, mansions.

South; Norwood, Canton, Randolph, etc: middle class suburbia; rideable but usually on the way to somewhere else (no offense)

South Shore beyond Quincy and Weymouth and into Hingham, Scituate, Marshfield, etc: Atlantic coastal, nice riding, though I find it hardest to get to because of confusing suburbs and pretty heavy and industrial sections, especially Weymouth.

I am a solo rider but I think the Charles River Wheelman is the big cycling club around here. Some bike shops have organized rides, e.g. Landry's and Back Bay Bikes I know for sure. Wheelworks, International Bicyles and Harris Cylery are also well-known, but all are close to or in Boston. The Mass Bike Coalition, massbike.org is probably also a good resource.

Feel free to PM me with other questions, and I look forward to comments from other area riders and future posts from you.

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I went to college across the river from the Hatch Shell
Did you go to MIT?
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forget what everyone told you... I live in quincy, and have been riding the south shore area for two years now. heres a few good rides you can look up on mapquest and get a feel as to where they are in relation to you...

1. for hills, hit up the blue hills area. Chickatawbut road is an awesome, windey backroad with about 100 ft climbing per mile.
2. for a 30-50 mile loop, start out going towards the 4 river bridge that connects quincy to weymouth. go over that, and once your on 3a take the first right. this will take you off the major roadway while still getting you south. keep going till you can take a left further down, to get back on 3a where it is less traffic. continue down to hull along nantasket beach. search for Jeruselum road for some nice views and houses, you WILL NOT be dissapointed.

What are your speeds like? PM me if you want to ride the blue hills, im there like 2 times a week
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First of all, you a red sox fan? if not, get on that. Secondly, after being away from the Boston area for 5 years now I have come to realize that I miss the straightforward/upfront attitudes of my fellow New Englanders, accept it, embrace it, love it.

As far as riding goes, I have nothing to offer. Growing up on the northshore was great and I would highly recommend it if you want to be outside of the city. Otherwise, I would suggest sommerville or cambridge, both great areas.
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Originally Posted by Jim from Boston
Hi KP,

I note that you post from "on the road," so I wonder what kind of cultural and "sticker" shock you will encounter here in Boston. I'm sure cost and convenience will be especially stong considerations in where to live, much less where to cycle. I'm an early morning commuter but even after 6 AM, the city streets get too congested for non-stop travel. FYA, I posted recently to another thread from a Hawaiian transplant living in Saugus about where to ride in Boston. Of note, one nice feature here is that you can take your bike on the commuter rail under certain conditions and get way out of town quickly into some nice bicycling territory.
Thanks for all the info.

Yeah, I am NOT looking forward to city life at all. I live in the middle of nowhere in the NY Berkshires. I live on a dirt road. I love living in the middle of nowhere. I love that any ride above 2 hours in length has above 80ft per mile of climbing. I'm in panic mode at the moment...I'm already convinced I'm going to hate city life, which is why I need to be in a place I can easily ride out of. If I have to ride more than, 20-30 minutes tops to get to decent riding, I'm going to be very depressed.

Keep the recommendations coming! Its very much appreciated.
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To me the best part about city life was how close everything is. You can walk/bike to all your friends houses, bars, grocery store, work, school, etc. and never have to worry about traffic, parking or gas.

The sprawl that surrounds most cities was the worst part.
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To me the best part about city life was how close everything is. You can walk/bike to all your friends houses, bars, grocery store, work, school, etc. and never have to worry about traffic, parking or gas.

The sprawl that surrounds most cities was the worst part.
This

Real cities have everything you need within a few blocks of your house. Cycling here in Seattle isn't the same as living on the side of a mountain in NM- but there are other things to enjoy.

Having moved a lot (perhaps you have too, I don't know) my experience is that if you want your current location to have all the qualities of the one you are leaving- you will be disappointed every time. It is a city, there are great things about living in a city- learn them, love them. If it doesn't work out you can always move again.
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Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
Thanks for all the info.

Yeah, I am NOT looking forward to city life at all. ... If I have to ride more than, 20-30 minutes tops to get to decent riding, I'm going to be very depressed.

Keep the recommendations coming!
How about finding a place where you can enjoy living, but easy to get to (think mass-transit) for weekend visits.
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I unfortunately live in Brighton which has become infested with College students. Parties, puke in road, broken glass and furniture are the norm. Stay away from Brighton...I'm moving first chance.

It is however right next to Brookline, so it's just on the outskirts of the city. 10 minutes up the road puts me in plush Newton and much nicer roads (Weston, Wayland, Needham, Dover...). From my house, riding West, South West is cake...I even ride South East for loops up and around Blue Hills.

Brookline would be nice IMO.

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I feel your pain; I moved to Boston from pleasantly rural Vermont 3 years ago. I thought it would be a hard transition but in fact have been quite taken by the city life, way more than I expected. I wouldn't say this is a permanent location for me but a nice interlude in an otherwise die-hard Vermonter's life.
That said, I hope your special lady friend is more flexible on the living situation than you. If she is I would advocate for living in areas from which it is easy to access the north side of the city. Somerville, Cambridge, Arlington, Medford are Red Line friendly (for the GF's trip to to UMass) and let you escape the congestion fairly quickly and hit some decent routes. It's a bit of a trip on the Red Line to UMass but at lease it's only one line.
Honestly I don't know very much about Quincy other than I drive through it sometimes and have the occasional meeting there. Not too impressed but I'm sure there is something cool going on in the area. I do like JP and Roslindale for hanging out and I'm guessing access to good riding can be had without too much of the hassle. Needham, Dedham, the Blue Hills, and other smaller towns to the west are close by and I would expect some OK riding around there.
I have found that once you get your bearings in Boston it is actually a small city and easy to escape when you really need to.
Good luck and remember it should be fun living in new places...you can always move if it sucks.
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Yes, Course 15 (PhD)
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Hm. This means that I may infact meet/race with the infamous KP at some point in the near future.

Carry on.
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Its looking like we'll be living in Medford. So my next question to all you Boston scamps is, where da good ridin at? Any wicked hills in the area? Group rides, etc? Also, how do I go about saying wicked without irony? Does it come with time?
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Originally Posted by TheKillerPenguin
Its looking like we'll be living in Medford. So my next question to all you Boston scamps is, where da good ridin at? Any wicked hills in the area? Group rides, etc? Also, how do I go about saying wicked without irony? Does it come with time?
Good choice tkp..."wicked" will feel natural at some point...it only took me a year to easily start uttering "y'all" with ease...
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you'll be fairly close to some ok XC dirt riding at the Fells reservation, and there are some nice roads that go around same. South Border road is a bit of a hill climb, but it's been a while since I've been that way so it may be nearly flat and I just remember it wrong from the times I tried to pedal my mountain bike up it :-x.

Meffid is good spot, it's the gateway to summahville which is where I grew up. Hit RedBones in Davis Sq for some good Q and to meet people on the local scene; they have free bike valet BTW. it's wikkid pissah.
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