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Fizik Aliante Sport vs. Fizik Arione

Old 07-09-09, 10:15 AM
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Fizik Aliante Sport vs. Fizik Arione

Would I notice much difference between a new Arione and my current original equipment Fizik Aliante?
I think I'd like to try a better saddle and it seems the Arione gets lots of +++
However, I'm reluctant to switch if there will be little or no difference.
Opinions?
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Old 07-09-09, 10:22 AM
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They are very different sadles. The Aliante is curved and padded to support you in one position, there's kind of a Sweet Spot where the back up curve hold your site bones and the front dip leaves room for the soft parts. This didn't fit my anatomy though.

The arione is flat to hold your sit bones and you can slid forward and back with similar positioning.

It all depends on how you are shaped and your riding style. They both get equal rave reviews and joes/pros use both saddles.
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Old 07-09-09, 10:50 AM
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I prefer the Aliante to the Arione
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Old 07-09-09, 10:52 AM
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I could not stand the Arione, but I love the Aliante.
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Both are very comfortable saddles when set up correctly. I've gone through 3 aliante and 2 arione in the past 4 seasons on 2 bikes.
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Old 07-09-09, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by clausen View Post
Both are very comfortable saddles when set up correctly. I've gone through 3 aliante and 2 arione in the past 4 seasons on 2 bikes.
What causes a saddle to need replacing?
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Old 07-09-09, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by donhaller View Post
What causes a saddle to need replacing?
He seems to be hard on saddles. Maybe he is SLAMDANCING on it? I have the opposite experience with the durability Fizik saddles, personally. As others have said, they are different shapes, it's not that the Arione is "better" than the Aliante. Note that there are much higher models of the Aliante than the OEM "sport" model.
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Old 07-09-09, 12:21 PM
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No slamdancing . The Aliante where all the gamma version.

I found that the shell of the saddles lost enough of it's firmness after 7-8000 KM and time on the trainer 7-8 hrs/wk 4 month winter to start causing issues on longer +3 hr rides. I remember seeing a picture on here of someone pushing up on the saddle demonstrating this.
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I still think it may have something to do with the way you ride, but I also wonder how much of that is personal preference. My CX's carbon shell softened after a few thousand miles and I liked it better that way, but my regular Arione shell hasn't softened even after tens of thousands of miles (what did I say last time? 30K?) and is still firm.
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Originally Posted by donhaller View Post
What causes a saddle to need replacing?
Breaking the plastic frame.
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
I still think it may have something to do with the way you ride, but I also wonder how much of that is personal preference. My CX's carbon shell softened after a few thousand miles and I liked it better that way, but my regular Arione shell hasn't softened even after tens of thousands of miles (what did I say last time? 30K?) and is still firm.
I sure your right about the way I ride, I used to not get out of the saddle that often. I do like firmer saddles, I'm now using an old Flite and a Regal. The time on the trainer is allot of stomps and tempo which does put allot force on the saddle. The 2 Ariones did stand up longer than the Aliantes.
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I could look it up, but what are the specs on the Gamma? Is that a carbon shell? Wing flex?
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
I could look it up, but what are the specs on the Gamma? Is that a carbon shell? Wing flex?
I have a "Gamma twin flex" with Ti rails and the underside center looks to be fiberglass weave, and not carbon, with a plastic shell. But mine is a previous version as the new on has K:ium rails and specs say it has carbon reinforced shell.

I believe the carbon undersides are yellow and mine is white.

I kept getting numbness after about 20 miles and kept tweaking but just couldnt get a sweet spot that didnt result in numbness. I couldnt get it to support my sitbones without soft tissue pressure.

After about an hour it just felt like I was sitting on a baseball.... I need flat and wide I think.
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
I could look it up, but what are the specs on the Gamma? Is that a carbon shell? Wing flex?
From ther web site

The choice of enthusiast riders. High performance carbon reinforced shell.

Twin flex graphite shell. Lightweight and comfortable. Ergonomic dip platform.
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Old 07-09-09, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by clausen View Post
From ther web site

The choice of enthusiast riders. High performance carbon reinforced shell.

Twin flex graphite shell. Lightweight and comfortable. Ergonomic dip platform.
I would expect those to soften over time. If you wanted it to remain stiffer you probably should have gone with one of the cheaper plastic models...
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
I would expect those to soften over time. If you wanted it to remain stiffer you probably should have gone with one of the cheaper plastic models...
Now you tell me.

I might give that a try. I don't have the other saddles dialed in quite as nice as the aliante was.
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Old 07-09-09, 02:54 PM
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Hehe, like I said my Arione CX with a carbon shell softened pretty quickly but my regular Arione has remained firm. I prefer the softened shell so it's unfortunate that the rails broke on the CX and I haven't gotten around to ordering a new one...
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I like both.... alot. My Arione suits my riding style more though.
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I was just going to ask that.

The cheaper aliantes have an underside that has a cutout like thing, but the carbon shelled ones don't. Does this make the carbon ones harder on the taint or are they flexible enough to compensate?

Also, I think I might have to try an arione again. I first tried one the first time 2 years ago almost. I hated it, and the SLR felt perfect at the same time.

Could have just been lack of conditioning and not being used to the weight on the sit bones.
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I think the pastic ones are cut out to allow it to flex more but the carbon ones don't need to be reinforced around the edges and can flex without being cutout. I'm not entirely sure what you mean though... I can take a picture of the underside of my two ariones tonight.
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Arione CX:


Aliante Carbon:


Aliante Gamma:


Couldn't find the underside of the cheaper ones...
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Originally Posted by donhaller View Post
Would I notice much difference between a new Arione and my current original equipment Fizik Aliante?
I think I'd like to try a better saddle and it seems the Arione gets lots of +++
However, I'm reluctant to switch if there will be little or no difference.
Opinions?
if you're happy with your aliante, no.
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Originally Posted by donhaller View Post
What causes a saddle to need replacing?
Leatherette cover wearing out on edges and stitched seam splitting. Two Ariones, and they're both about shot. I'm 6' and 160 lbs.

I don't even know my Arione is there unless I'm doing a long, flat pace line ride. Then, after about 30 miles, I wish I had something else. But that's only about once a week.
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I have a Aliante on demo right now and I'm LOVING it, took it out for 35 today, doing 30 tomorrow and then 50 hard hard miles on Saturday and then doing intervals on it on monday. I figure I'll know by monday.

I have to say it's pushing on me a bit but I think once I get it set up it's going to be money. I just like that it has a particular place to sit. I have to admit it's not so good if you like to move up to the rivet you have far less room for movement but this is my training bike not my racing bike so I'm not too worried about having to get into that crazy position. I have an antares on my racing bike which allows me to get on the rivet if I feel the need.
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I just tried the aliante, and like it better than the ariones, primarily I think because I need a bit more width than the arione has. As a result, I have 4 ariones, 2 almost brand new ics ones and one slightly older regular body/ti rail and one carbon body ti rail, that I would swap for an appropriately valued and similar condition aliante. If interested, email/message me off list. Thanks, Mark
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