mgbguy

Rapier wit. PSAT and Physics club. I see no dates at all. Besides you were probably much smarter than Newton.

Ignorance is dangerous. But you wouldn't know.

https://science.discovery.com/top-ten...stakes-09.html

Heavier objects don't fall nor roll faster. Larger cyclists usually do better on the downhills due to power, not gravity. If anything their wind resistance is greater.

Flatballer

I would say something, but I'm just gonna let you keep talking see how deep you can go.

Continue.

umd

If the car or the house have been sitting unsold for years and there is no transfer of ownership then they are still new.

hammond9705

I don't understand all of the hate. It's a new bike, never been ridden. Ultegra 6600 is a very nice group. Yes, the frame design may be 2006, but does that really matter? I guess maybe some day it might matter for resale, but if you only paid $860 for the bike new, resale shouldn't be a big concern.

Flatballer

And if it wasn't disclosed to you that it was 10 years old, you'd be ok with that? Personally, I'd be pissed. That's ten years that the wood has been rotting, ten years that mold could be growing, ten years for materials to creep, it's not the same as having been just built.

umd

Look I agree that calling something from 2006 a "2009" is shady and not right I just don't think it matters.

kwrides

Because they market it as being brand new, and worth as much as a REAL 2009 bike from their competitors that they are generously selling you at a deep discount. So, the buyer thinks, "Wow, I'm getting a steal on this awesome BRAND NEW BIKE for the same price as an old one from someone else. I could have gotten a very similar 2006 Fuji for a similar price, but that thing has been sitting around for 3 years and probably has 3 year old components. Instead, I'll get this BRAND NEW 2009 BD bike!"

umd

When you buy a house the title will say when it was built. But it's still "new", regardless. When you buy a car in the US I believe it has to say where and when it was built. The "model year" of the car may not agree with the manufacture date. The way cars are made and sold it could easily be 2 years off.

The bottom line is that "model years" are BS in general and that's why I don't think that this is a big deal.

gettingold

They are both "old new". And if it was a car, the age would go on the title so the buyer would know it was old new. I agree with platypus; a bit untoward....

Curiously, I find myself repeatedly siding with the BD bashers even though I have absolutely no dog in this hunt. I think it is more the pack mentality of the BD lovers (CYCHO) as they tear into the platypus carcass that causes me to wade in.

umd

I'm usually on the other side of this. I don't really care about BD one way or the other except that I am not a fan of their marketing. I am not a fan of this either I'm just saying that model years don't really matter anyway. For those that disagree with me, that is fine. I've said enough on the matter and I don't really care enough to continue.

Erik B

My wheels and bearings must kick absolute butt then, since when I'm not pedaling I'm pretty sure I'm making zero power, yet I still roll by just about everyone I ride with on the descent, either that or I've got the hand of God on my backside giving me a little nudge.

gabdy

BD really do know how to fugly up a bike don't they?

DrPete 

I for one don't ride in a frictionless vacuum, so you're wrong here.

Flatballer

You should try it. It's the new rage.

NathanC

But the bike is brand new, it just happens to have 2006 technology.

Car makers to it to, and with all the platform sharing and what-not, you don't know what you're getting. Those Jeep motors are 1940s technology, but it's still new.

agarose2000

I disagree with all those folks up in arms over this whole 2006 frame versus 2009 bike bit. BD lists nearly every piece of componentry on that bike. The frame is but one part of it, and the fact that it hasn't changed for 3 years isn't a deal-killer by any means. Cervelo's TT bike frames have changed remarkably little over the past few years; in fact, the 2007, 2008, 2009 P2 models are nearly identical. You might actually consider Cervelo's methods shady as well - make an insignificant cosmetic change to the frame, and then immediately mark up the frame by $500+. My 2008 Cervelo P2C is 99% the same as a 2009 P2, yet you'll now have to pay $800 over what I paid for mine 6 months ago.

I agree that it's overall not kosher to sell older things and say they're new, but I do think the criticism is way overblown here, given their extensive disclosure on the rest of the componentry and parts. It's still a killer deal even with the old frame as well - if it were such a bad deal, nobody would buy this bike. For me, the fact that it is a 2006 frame doesn't change anything for me - I don't think folks looking at BD bikes place a huge premium on having the latest greatest name-brand 2009 bikes, and in fact, would much rather take an older model for a big price reduction as they do.

kwrides

Do you know this to be fact?

kwrides

Read my post about the 2006 Fuji vs. 2009 BD. The point is that the newb is not getting to make that choice. They are being tricked into thinking one bike is 3 years old and one is brand new.

DrPete 

I'm voting against the sleazy BD marketing in the only way that matters--with my wallet. Especially after some interactions with the big guy at BD, he's never getting another red cent of my hard-earned money. I don't care if his bikes are cheaper and similar to someone else's model from 2 years ago.

Supporting the sleaze with a purchase but claiming that you're willing to do it for the great value is still supporting the sleaze. I still regret having bought that positively mediocre MTB of mine from them for this very reason.

mgbguy

I'm glad you are a surgeon.

Flatballer

Damn. You were so close, until you edited it.

mgbguy

Is there anything better than trolling bikeforums?

NathanC

Even if they were produced in 2006 and have been sitting in a warehouse for three years, they are still brand-new.

fetad

It's still brand new, but a brand new 2006 bike sitting in a bike shop won't be sold at msrp either. It will be heavily discounted. It's disingenuous to compare this bike to 2009 bikes if it is 3 year old stock just re-badged. I don't know if that's the case.

kwrides

No, they are not. That is a fact.