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TDF? Riding back to help out a team mate

Old 07-16-09, 07:50 PM
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TDF? Riding back to help out a team mate

Do the race rules allow this? I have never seen this and was wondering if this is allowed.
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Riders drop back all the time to help pull team mates who have suffered a crash or a mechanical, esp. GC contenders, etc. It is not unheard of for a domestique to give his bike to a team mate and wait for neutral support or team car to arrive with a new bike.
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Old 07-16-09, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by rishardh View Post
Do the race rules allow this? I have never seen this and was wondering if this is allowed.
A rider can slow down or even stop to wait. He can not ride the opposite way on the course.
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Yeah they definitely drop back to help pace back a team mate, but they don't ever go the wrong way on the course if that's what ya mean.
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Thanks for the clarification. I should have been clearer. One more nagging question answered on BF

While on the subject I guess it's also against the rules to go off course. Lance riding across a field to avoid a crash and catch up to the others come into mind.

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What about riding back to help out a non team mate. In the coverage today Vaugters was talking about how somebody on another team (can't remember who it was) stopped by the side of the road to retrieve David Millar's radio when it fell off.
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Originally Posted by Lizzylou View Post
What about riding back to help out a non team mate. In the coverage today Vaugters was talking about how somebody on another team (can't remember who it was) stopped by the side of the road to retrieve David Millar's radio when it fell off.
It was Fabian Cancellara. He didn't just stop but did a u-turn picked up David's Garmin 705, did another u-turn and rode up to David and gave it back to him.
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Which means he did indeed ride the opposite way on the course. Above this was stated to be a violation. It isn't, is it?

BTW, Cancellara is one cool character. Going out of his way to retrieve and deliver Millar's GPS was just one of several very classy moves he's made during this tour.
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Originally Posted by pacificaslim View Post
Which means he did indeed ride the opposite way on the course. Above this was stated to be a violation. It isn't, is it?

BTW, Cancellara is one cool character. Going out of his way to retrieve and deliver Millar's GPS was just one of several very classy moves he's made during this tour.
Agree. Arguably, the classiest rider in the tour so far.
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Originally Posted by pacificaslim View Post
Which means he did indeed ride the opposite way on the course. Above this was stated to be a violation. It isn't, is it?
Seems like the race marshals give a bit of "wink wink, nod nod" when justified. I remember that being mentioned during the first week when a rider was drafting the support cars a bit too obviously on his way back to the peloton.
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Originally Posted by pabuck View Post
Seems like the race marshals give a bit of "wink wink, nod nod" when justified. I remember that being mentioned during the first week when a rider was drafting the support cars a bit too obviously on his way back to the peloton.
Drafting the support cars if legal. The race caravan is part of the race and you are allowed to use it to get back, just not hang on to the cars for too long. That's usually overlooked for most things, but if they do it for too long, they will get a time penalty sometimes.
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you can draft other teams' cars but it's a bit more frowned upon with your own team car as they are most likely the most helpful to the rider (obviously)
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Sometimes its funny when the team car gives the riders a boost when handing water bottles. They ride 100+ miles unassisted and go through that motion to get a few feet of free wheeling. I have never raced, I guess that little boost is really appreciated.
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Originally Posted by pacificaslim View Post
BTW, Cancellara is one cool character. Going out of his way to retrieve and deliver Millar's GPS was just one of several very classy moves he's made during this tour.

And he was given a Forerunner 405 watch by the Garmin boys in appreciation, according to J. Vaughters. Very nice.

Fabian is a stud. And my wife thinks he's awesome.

But I'm not sure he's quite as cool as Jens Voigt....
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Originally Posted by rishardh View Post
Thanks for the clarification. I should have been clearer. One more nagging question answered on BF

While on the subject I guess it's also against the rules to go off course. Lance riding across a field to avoid a crash and catch up to the others come into mind.
Lance wasn't penalized because the reasons for his detour were obvious, and it didn't gain him any time on the group, IIRC. And it made for great TV...
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Originally Posted by pacificaslim View Post
Which means he did indeed ride the opposite way on the course. Above this was stated to be a violation. It isn't, is it?
You must be a match sprinter.
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Lance wasn't penalized because the reasons for his detour were obvious, and it didn't gain him any time on the group, IIRC. And it made for great TV...
Yeah, he had no alternative option other than to hit the guy.
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Originally Posted by Lizzylou View Post
What about riding back to help out a non team mate. In the coverage today Vaugters was talking about how somebody on another team (can't remember who it was) stopped by the side of the road to retrieve David Millar's radio when it fell off.
Also happens all the time, as do all sorts of side agreements between teams/riders. Part of the fun of being a fan is watching for situations like that.
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Originally Posted by merckx89 View Post
Drafting the support cars if legal. The race caravan is part of the race and you are allowed to use it to get back, just not hang on to the cars for too long. That's usually overlooked for most things, but if they do it for too long, they will get a time penalty sometimes.
I'm pretty certain its not legal to draft the team cars. See, e.g. http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/...announced.html

However, its one of those things that involves some discretion by the Officials, and you don't get penalized unless you abuse your privilege.

Obviously a rider has to make it through the team cars to get back after a flat. They're going to get some draft doing that. So as long as you're making your way up through the cars and getting a bit of a draft in the process, you're not going to get penalized, but if you just sit in the draft of a car, or allow the car to tow you up, you may well get penalized.

This is why you see riders jumping from one car to the next, i.e. pass one car, catch the next, get a draft for just a bit, repeat.
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Originally Posted by Gluteus View Post
Agree. Arguably, the classiest rider in the tour so far.
This one was for a team mate, but still, the guy was in the yellow jersey for days and now he's taking care of a teammate:

On the Tuesday of this easy week, Kurt-Asle Arvesen of Saxo Bank was spinning along and got brought down in a crash that put at least six riders on the road. He got up — he was the last one to do so — got back on his bike and started riding off after the peloton. He was holding the handlebar with one hand. His left arm was tucked up against his stomach, and he held his shoulders aslant, the right pointed high and the left drooping.

Determined to get back in the pack, Arvesen pedaled by the race doctor’s car without slowing. About ten minutes later, he dropped back to the medical car and talked a bit. The doctor reached out through the open window and stuck a pill in Arvesen’s mouth.

At the feed zone, Arvesen realized he couldn’t lift his left arm to get his lunch out of the musette. One of his teammates, Fabian Cancellera, who’d won the yellow jersey in the Stage 1 time trial and gone on to wear it for 6 more days, took Arvesen’s bag. Cancellera rode beside Arvesen and, piece by piece, handed his lunch to him.
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