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Inexpensive Carbon Frames??

Old 07-31-09, 03:32 PM
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Inexpensive Carbon Frames??

I have seen on eBay inexpensive full carbon road frames. How good / bad are these. They are no name frames, but they all say they are "Made in the same factories as the big name bikes". Are these worth taking a gamble? They usually go for between $350 and $500 for a frame and fork.

Here is an example of one of these inexpensive frames from Hong Kong.
http://cgi.ebay.ca/NEW-ROAD-BIKE-FRA...lenotsupported

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Old 07-31-09, 03:46 PM
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haha, i posted something about this at the beginning of the summer, there are like 10000 threads out there. i was contemplating getting one, but i found a relativity new cannondale right before i bid. people who i talked to say they are good. i talked to the peoson selling them on ebay, and they said they just cut the middle man that is why they are cheep. but the world will never know. there have been a few reports of the frames breaking and finding old asian news papers in them. if you want to get one try thease sites instead, so you might get a warrenty just in case.


pedalforce.com
bikeisland.com
karbona.com

ive never purchased from them so i dont know what their deal is.... good luck!
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A guy came into the shop with one of those full carbon hardtails, I think he paid $375 for it. The quality of the carbon seemed every bit that of the new XTC 3 Advanced, and the frame was impressively light. I think these are the real deal and they should strike fear into the hearts of bike shops and major manufacturers.
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Could be worth a gamble.

Shoot just slapping a sticker on them to look like a name brand would raise the retail on them.

Its not like driving a Kia will kill you, safety is probably not an issue, integrity during a crash or longevity might be though.
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Why not buy a cheap Pedalforce and at least get some kind of warranty and quality assurance?
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I bought one of the "Hasa" frames from ebay and it has been awesome so far for about a thousand miles and like 40 hours on the trainer. Stiff and light. Only problem I had with it was that the upper ballbearing cup was bit too shallow (doesn't really affect anything... it works fine) and the lower bearing cup was not totally flush but the steering does NOT jam or anything and everything works perfectly so I'm happy. I won't totally recommend these if you're not ready to take a small risk but considering I payed like three to four times less than a comparable brand name frame I'm extremely happy.

Btw. if anyone has any idea what brand name frame my frame is (I'm pretty sure its a copy of some brand name frame) I'd appreciate it. It looks a lot like a Kuota Kredo but I can't find an identical Kuota Kredo, theres some differences on the top tube and headtube.

http://www.dgkelectronics.com/storage/cycling/gears.jpg
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Off the top of my head, that looks similar to something Quintana Roo would make. Check their site out. They usually do that cut-out thing on the seatstays, and they're fans of cut out seat tubes.
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Originally Posted by Dago View Post
I bought one of the "Hasa" frames from ebay and it has been awesome so far for about a thousand miles and like 40 hours on the trainer. Stiff and light. Only problem I had with it was that the upper ballbearing cup was bit too shallow (doesn't really affect anything... it works fine) and the lower bearing cup was not totally flush but the steering does NOT jam or anything and everything works perfectly so I'm happy. I won't totally recommend these if you're not ready to take a small risk but considering I payed like three to four times less than a comparable brand name frame I'm extremely happy.

Btw. if anyone has any idea what brand name frame my frame is (I'm pretty sure its a copy of some brand name frame) I'd appreciate it. It looks a lot like a Kuota Kredo but I can't find an identical Kuota Kredo, theres some differences on the top tube and headtube.

http://www.dgkelectronics.com/storage/cycling/gears.jpg
Exact same frame I gambled on originally too. Mine is like spaghetti - I changed to a Leader frame and I'm climbing a gear higher at good cadence. I'm only 160 lbs so I don't think it's a weight issue, maybe it's a hit or miss thing on the quality. I had to re-prep the bearing surfaces in the head tube and clean the BB threads (still had shavings and metal scraps in there from being tapped). Worth the 350$ I paid shipped? Yes. Would I buy it again? Nope.

Any reviews on the pedalforce frames?
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Originally Posted by tonski View Post
Exact same frame I gambled on originally too. Mine is like spaghetti - I changed to a Leader frame and I'm climbing a gear higher at good cadence. I'm only 160 lbs so I don't think it's a weight issue, maybe it's a hit or miss thing on the quality. I had to re-prep the bearing surfaces in the head tube and clean the BB threads (still had shavings and metal scraps in there from being tapped). Worth the 350$ I paid shipped? Yes. Would I buy it again? Nope.

Any reviews on the pedalforce frames?
There are quite a few threads about the PF frames. I have a Ribble Sportive which uses the same frame as the PF RS2. It's very nice.




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Old 08-03-09, 03:49 PM
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Theres people that on roadbike review that have them and like them. I'm going to buy one just need to sell my current frame and I'd buy from Bicycle_999, I've been talking to him, he gets back to emails quickly.

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Old 08-03-09, 03:56 PM
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he seems to be the main seller, that's who i talked to on ebay. good luck, ill be expecting a full report when its done
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Originally Posted by hansel View Post
there have been a few reports of the frames breaking and finding old asian news papers in them.
I read that post- it was an internal Trek memo about another major American brand's carbon frame.
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Odds are its the same frame as a major brand. Its not like they say "oh lets make a crappy one to sell on ebay now". A bunch of frames get made, some get shipped off to paint, others find their way to the gray market.

Newspaper will make its way into both markets, its actually a pretty good and eco friendly material with many industrial applications. Just because it was in a frame doesn't mean it was put in there to replace a structural component. They probably just need something to separate part of the mold from the resin.

By "odds are" I mean it looks like a giant. Its more expensive to make your own mold.
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Originally Posted by Demit View Post
Odds are its the same frame as a major brand. Its not like they say "oh lets make a crappy one to sell on ebay now". A bunch of frames get made, some get shipped off to paint, others find their way to the gray market.

Newspaper will make its way into both markets, its actually a pretty good and eco friendly material with many industrial applications. Just because it was in a frame doesn't mean it was put in there to replace a structural component. They probably just need something to separate part of the mold from the resin.

By "odds are" I mean it looks like a giant. Its more expensive to make your own mold.
I agree with this for the most part but the quality of the carbon and resin can be lower and cause flex problems that the "brand" frames don't have.
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Here is a different approach. Get an Immortal series bike from BD, part out what you don't need, and use the frame. I have the lowest level Immortal Pro, and I LOVE IT! 1.3 kg and stiff, flat bar Trek/Fuji sizing. You get a great frame, good price, and a warranty.
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Odds are its the same frame as a major brand. Its not like they say "oh lets make a crappy one to sell on ebay now".
What you don't know is why they ended up on ebay. Stolen overruns? QC defects? Who knows?

What I wouldn't bet on, is that the "brand name" contractor is happily agreeing to have runs of the same frame underselling them on ebay.
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I think Kestrel frames tend to pretty inexpensive
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Originally Posted by MajorMantra View Post
There are quite a few threads about the PF frames. I have a Ribble Sportive which uses the same frame as the PF RS2. It's very nice.




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Matt, I am looking at buying a new group set from Ribble. The would be an overseas order. How do you like them? Their prices seem very competitive if not the best that I have found.
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Oh, and VERY nice bike you have.
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We ought to get a thread going and collect 5 dollar paypal donations for someone to buy the frame and do a full writeup on it. That way we can see what the real deal is.

Any takers?
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We ought to get a thread going and collect 5 dollar paypal donations for someone to buy the frame and do a full writeup on it. That way we can see what the real deal is.

Any takers?
Sure. Paypal me your 5 now.
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Matt, I am looking at buying a new group set from Ribble. The would be an overseas order. How do you like them? Their prices seem very competitive if not the best that I have found.
Ribble have great prices on some stuff and are generally ok but I would qualify that by saying that getting hold of them (if you need to query something for example) can be very difficult. When I was worried about the timing of the delivery of my bike I tried and failed repeatedly to get them on the phone. I did get an answer to my email after a few days though.

If you search on a UK forum like Bikeradar you'll find lots of happy Ribble customers and also lots who've had trouble getting in touch with them. Overall I would recommend them.

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Oh, and VERY nice bike you have.
Cheers.

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What you don't know is why they ended up on ebay. Stolen overruns? QC defects? Who knows?
I'm not sure there's any reason to be this suspicious of these frames. Tons of perfectly good new stuff (be it electronics, bike parts or whatever) gets sold without branding straight from the Far East. It's just another way for someone to make money and the people selling this stuff often have huge (although not always perfect) track records.

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Not inexpensive, but for the money you can't beat <$2,000 for a 2009 Orbea Opal frameset. Got to be the cheapest pro frame set on the market.
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I have actually had some one there, Matthew, respond to my email inquiry within a day, considering the time change.
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