Fixed lens camera same as ss bike
08-04-09, 09:43 AM
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but a prime can make you a better photographer in the sense that it forces you to think about things more if you want to get the photo you're after. zooms can make you lazy in the same way a fast motor drive can; you don't have to worry as much about positioning with a zoom lens (or your timing with a 9fps motor drive). there's just something simple and elegant about shooting in S mode with a prime and still getting the shot vs a hyper zoom and spray n pray machine gun motor drive. I move back and forth between those worlds and enjoy both.......I do not however have a SS (yet).
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300mm 2.8L is a nice lens. It's kinda a tweener though, not really long enough for wildlife, particularly birds. It performs acceptably well with a 1.4tc. With a 2x, the autofocus becomes slow, and the images are noticeably softer.
I use mine mostly to take bird photos while kayaking.
But it's not a substitute for a big telephoto like a 600 f/4L. Of course, its about $9,000 cheaper.
I use mine mostly to take bird photos while kayaking.
But it's not a substitute for a big telephoto like a 600 f/4L. Of course, its about $9,000 cheaper.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...mm_f_4_0L.html
the 800mm on the other hand...
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...f_5_6L_IS.html
and we won't even get into the 1200mm...
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...mm_f_5_6L.html
08-04-09, 10:17 AM
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I actually saw the 1200 f/5.6 when I was at Canon in Irvine getting something repaired. Two guys carried the coffin it comes in into the waiting room. Quite impressive.
08-04-09, 10:26 AM
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Useless comparison. Photography is arguably even more of a gear-***** hobby than cycling. The mantra here is, nobody cares - just ride it. In photography communities there are plenty of people with $5,000+ kits who barely use them or do nothing more than take stupid pet pictures with them. So the mantra is, nobody cares - show us photos. In the end it's all about gear coveting and convincing yourself that you're justified in spending another $1,500 because someone on the internet thinks it's a good idea.
You buy the bike that is correct for your purposes. You buy the camera and lenses that are correct for your purposes.
You buy the bike that is correct for your purposes. You buy the camera and lenses that are correct for your purposes.
08-04-09, 10:27 AM
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I have zooms. I have primes. Different applications for different situations. Just like bikes.
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And bellows are what triple chainring...?
PC (Perspective Correction) are like Rotor BioPAce cranks?
I have a Nocturnal 1.2 Nikon 50mm non AI but now AI-ed -- very rare. I got from a F2 package from CL. So what is that 54 X 11 fixed gear.
BTW the Nikon 17-35 2.8 is better than my fixed 18, 20 and 35 Nikkors. Classic lense, great sample and heavy,
The PC lense in my opinion is great glass compared to any lense that Nikon makes at that focal length. I think they have to, to do its job well.
PC (Perspective Correction) are like Rotor BioPAce cranks?
I have a Nocturnal 1.2 Nikon 50mm non AI but now AI-ed -- very rare. I got from a F2 package from CL. So what is that 54 X 11 fixed gear.
BTW the Nikon 17-35 2.8 is better than my fixed 18, 20 and 35 Nikkors. Classic lense, great sample and heavy,
The PC lense in my opinion is great glass compared to any lense that Nikon makes at that focal length. I think they have to, to do its job well.
08-04-09, 10:48 AM
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Less maintenance, lower cost, simplicity, culture.
For getting around town, a single speed works well. Don't have to really worry about anything. You may take the long way to avoid the hill but it all evens out.
For MTB, single speed works well on some trails. Even bigger pluses for simplicity. You have no derailleurs to get clogged with mud or the fear of a stick ripping off your brand new XTR derailleur (happened to me!). But I don't mtb single speed. You ride different too, bomb the downhills so you can use your momentum to get up the hill.
For getting around town, a single speed works well. Don't have to really worry about anything. You may take the long way to avoid the hill but it all evens out.
For MTB, single speed works well on some trails. Even bigger pluses for simplicity. You have no derailleurs to get clogged with mud or the fear of a stick ripping off your brand new XTR derailleur (happened to me!). But I don't mtb single speed. You ride different too, bomb the downhills so you can use your momentum to get up the hill.
first of all WTF is a "fixed zoom" lens? either it's fixed or it's a zoom.
second, as Matt wrote, if you don't shoot photography then you don't really know the advantages to a fixed focal lenth lens.
tell me how this fixed lenth lens
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...Autofocus.html
brings in more light than this zoom.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...Autofocus.html
second, as Matt wrote, if you don't shoot photography then you don't really know the advantages to a fixed focal lenth lens.
tell me how this fixed lenth lens
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...Autofocus.html
brings in more light than this zoom.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...Autofocus.html
Useless comparison. Photography is arguably even more of a gear-***** hobby than cycling. The mantra here is, nobody cares - just ride it. In photography communities there are plenty of people with $5,000+ kits who barely use them or do nothing more than take stupid pet pictures with them. So the mantra is, nobody cares - show us photos. In the end it's all about gear coveting and convincing yourself that you're justified in spending another $1,500 because someone on the internet thinks it's a good idea.
You buy the bike that is correct for your purposes. You buy the camera and lenses that are correct for your purposes.
You buy the bike that is correct for your purposes. You buy the camera and lenses that are correct for your purposes.
Agree, but sometimes it's good to make use of one tool for more than one job. A geared bike can go ANYWHERE an SS can. But the same cannot be said other way round.
08-04-09, 10:49 AM
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08-04-09, 10:53 AM
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So, what would be the cycling equivalent of a view camera?
08-04-09, 10:55 AM
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Not useless. An SS has a limit in it's use. You cant take it up a long steep hill. A prime lens is also limiting in it's use but has advantages in giving a brighter image..
08-04-09, 10:56 AM
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08-04-09, 11:02 AM
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It has everything to do with discipline and vision. The fact of the matter is if you cannot make a great image with a 50mm lens on a full frame digital or a film SLR, you're not much of a photographer.
People today want to trade knowledge and quality for laziness.
08-04-09, 11:09 AM
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08-04-09, 11:16 AM
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Commercially I prefer to shoot with fast zoom lenses, for my personal work I use exclusively three prime lenses, 24 f/1.4, 50 f/1.4 and an 85 f/1.8, sometimes if I have access I'll work a 200 f/2 in there. In the beginning I never could have accomplished what I can now with those lenses it took time for me to grow as a photographer but now I can hold down pretty much any job with them.
That being said, would I choose to shoot a job with them, not a chance.
It was really only when i started shooting with Leicas that I grew to appreciate shooting with primes. It has nothing to do with aperture, or picture quality. It has everything to do with discipline and vision. The fact of the matter is if you cannot make a great image with a 50mm lens on a full frame digital or a film SLR, you're not much of a photographer.
That being said, would I choose to shoot a job with them, not a chance.
It was really only when i started shooting with Leicas that I grew to appreciate shooting with primes. It has nothing to do with aperture, or picture quality. It has everything to do with discipline and vision. The fact of the matter is if you cannot make a great image with a 50mm lens on a full frame digital or a film SLR, you're not much of a photographer.
08-04-09, 11:16 AM
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>A prime lens is also limiting in it's use but has advantages in giving a brighter image..<
Not exactly. A prime can allow more light into the camera than a zoom, by virtue of the size of the aperture. However, there is another main variable to photography: the shutter speed. So a zoom lens can let in as much light as a prime necessary to form an image, given enough time.
And some zoom have quite large apertures, rivaling those of some prime lenses.
Not exactly. A prime can allow more light into the camera than a zoom, by virtue of the size of the aperture. However, there is another main variable to photography: the shutter speed. So a zoom lens can let in as much light as a prime necessary to form an image, given enough time.
And some zoom have quite large apertures, rivaling those of some prime lenses.
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Keeping it somewhat on-topic, here's pics of the ladies cranking out the watts at this past Sunday's Cat 1/2/3 Crit in the Tour of Elk Grove:
Canon 1Ds / Canon 100-400IS / ISO400 / Aperture Priority / Partial Metering
Canon 1Ds / Canon 100-400IS / ISO400 / Aperture Priority / Partial Metering
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you shouldn't need a full frame or film camera. you should be able to do it with a 1.6, 1.5, 1.3 or any other crop sensor as wll. A lot of professional wedding photographers use 1.6 crop Canon cameras. And 85% of the photos you see in Sports Illustrated is taken with a 1.3 crop.
