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Dogma anyone? Got to ride this thing.

Old 09-04-09, 09:19 PM
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Dogma anyone? Got to ride this thing.

This guy showed up in our shop earlier today. Pinarello Dogma with Di2. Got to ride it around the lot a little bit just to get a feel for how the Di2 stuff works, and I've concluded that its quite phenomenal. Care to guess how much it costs?



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Old 09-04-09, 09:22 PM
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$15k
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Old 09-04-09, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by c0lnago View Post
$15k
Pretty close.
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Nice! Was it instant shifting?
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Are they talking about spectators feeding the cyclists? You know, like don't feed the bears?
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Costs more then its worth... IMO.
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i don't need to ride it to know that.


Besides, if I ride it I might find out that I am wrong, and I can't live with that.
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Originally Posted by mzeffex View Post
Nice! Was it instant shifting?
Not instant, but near instant. Apparently Shimano had not given the rep a charger for his battery and so the battery was dying, but it still managed to shift the FD from the small to large ring under full pressure just fine. The rear derailleur shifted perfectly and so smooth, sometimes I would have to look underneath me to see if it actually did shift to a different cog.

I like to think SRAM has one of the fastest shifting Shifter/RD combos, but after playing with this, I think its safe to say that Di2 shifts faster and smoother than anything on the market. Not to mention the little effort required to push or tap the lever buttons. The cool thing about the front derailleur is that it automatically trims itself to match your chainline no matter what cog in the rear you're on. Having a FD that doesn't rub is just amazing.
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sounds great i'd love to ride a di2 equipped bike...
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Originally Posted by iareConfusE View Post
Not instant, but near instant. Apparently Shimano had not given the rep a charger for his battery and so the battery was dying,... Not to mention the little effort required to push or tap the lever buttons. ... Having a FD that doesn't rub is just amazing.
Well...My 105-equipped Rambouillet shifts near-instantly even if I NEVER charge a battery, and the effort of moving the levers doesn't make me noticeably tired. Plus my FD never rubs. The whole driveline cost me about 90 bucks.
All right with me if you guys buy it, but if I had $15,000 to spend on wheeled toys, I'd buy a vintage-racing sports car and a trailer to tow it on. I already have a bike.
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Originally Posted by Velo Dog View Post
Well...My 105-equipped Rambouillet shifts near-instantly even if I NEVER charge a battery, and the effort of moving the levers doesn't make me noticeably tired. Plus my FD never rubs. The whole driveline cost me about 90 bucks.
All right with me if you guys buy it, but if I had $15,000 to spend on wheeled toys, I'd buy a vintage-racing sports car and a trailer to tow it on. I already have a bike.
You don't seem to understand how this works. I'm not going to bother explaining it to you because.. well... you just don't understand and never will.
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On the contrary you don't seem to understand Velo Dog. Of course, I don't seem to understand anything, so what would I know?
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shimano on a pinarello?
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Originally Posted by botto View Post
shimano on a pinarello?
thank you.

And the bike costs $17k.
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shimano on a pinarello?
sure, best of both worlds
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I got to see a Di2 bike at one of our LBS's. After running up and down on the bike stand for 20 minutes, the thing I was most impressed with was the auto-trim.

The really interesting thing was that the bike was being put together for someone who had lost an arm and they were going to put on a Di2 barend shifter on the left hand side so the owner could shift both the front and rear with his left hand. The bar ends are right and left specific so they were going to have to re-progam the left to operate the rear der. It was pretty amazing.
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Very cool, but the frame still looks like a dog taking a dump.
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Originally Posted by iareConfusE View Post
Having a FD that doesn't rub is just amazing.
Hmm. My FD never rubs. There's trim there, but I never need to use it.
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Very cool, but the frame still looks like a dog taking a dump.
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Di2 looks amazing but I wouldn't buy it at whatever price they're currently selling it at, and I probably wouldn't buy it when the pirce comes down either. I dont need it, but I'm glad Shimano made it, coz someone out there had to made something different. Putting on additional cogs was just getting boring.

If I was a racing dude, maybe I'd get it if I were sponsored by someone.
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Is the electric shifting really that expensive? On competitive cyclist you can buy a Dogma equipped(as every Italian bike should be) with Campy SuperRecord 11, and Zipp 404 clinchers for around 10K. Where does the other 5-7k come from? Bicycling magazine reviewed it and loved it but quoted 17K as the price.
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From CC it's rougly $4,440 for a complete Di2 drivetrain. It's cool, I'm glad they made it. Heck I wish I had it! But unless the price comes down to around 2 grand, I ain't upgrading to it.

But I wish I could!!!
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And anything that costs 17K ought to be eligible for the cash for clunkers trade in, can I get 4grand govt cash back if I bring in my old trek mountain bike?
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Specialized was in town last weekend for a "Demo Day" and I was able to ride the new Tarmac SL3 with Di2 for about an hour. It was at a large park in town that has a 5 mile loop that is closed to traffic, and the loop has decent rollers and a couple of ways to climb, including a 15% gradient for about .25 miles or so.

I did the loop a few times and found the Di2 to be pretty cool. Actually, the rear shifting wasn't much different than well tuned Dura-Ace or Record, but the front shifting is absolutely stunning.

Going up a hill (guessing my power output around 400-500 watts or so) in the 39-23, I hit the front upshift button and ended up in the 53 almost instantly.

The other wierd thing about the shifting is that it's "set and forget" in the sense that you don't have to keep pushing the lever, you just click the button and wait for the derailleur to do its thing. So when climbing a steep hill, you can keep your grip on the hoods exactly the same, use your ring finger to click the button and the shift happens.
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It would seem possible to put two, or even three sets of shifter buttons on the bars with Di2.
Perhaps one set in the normal position on the hoods, another on the tops of the bars . . . just a thought.
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We were actually told by our rep that the bike was only $14k. I had originally thought it was $17k also but apparently not...
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