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Roadie anger; Arlington VA; WA&OD trail this morning

Old 09-06-09, 10:58 AM
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Roadie anger; Arlington VA; WA&OD trail this morning

Hey, this is really not a rant against anyone in particular, but my wife and I were riding the WAOD trail in Arlington VA (a popular trail for local residents, families, etc.) and was passed at one point by a white/blue lycra roadie guy and given a somewhat "dirty" look over his right shoulder as if my wife and I were ruining his ride, preventing him from maintaining his proper heart rate, or what not. I ride in cargo khaki shorts and hanes white t-shirts, but do ride a road bike. We ride at a slower pace of about 13mph and enjoy our rides and commutes...definitely not time-trial pace or anything.

A bit further ahead, and me not thinking anything of it, this same guy was on the side of the (very busy) trail arguing loudly with another cyclist about "get over on your side" and "ride all the way over if you're so slow" - things like that. I assume he was riding ahead of us and maybe got angry at a man riding too close to the center, or something like that.

Is it not a bit unreasonable to get angry at cyclists on a highly-used trail, on a Sunday morning, on labor day weekend?

I am not anti-roadie by any stretch. I have spoken to MANY friendly ones and have given and received aid on the roads I ride.

The fact is that EVERYONE will eventually mess up and drift into someone's path, or have their head in the clouds and slow someone down, etc. It is nice to think that when this happens, our fellow cyclists will only smile and exercise patience and that we will do the same when it happens to us. Riding is supposed to be fun .

That's all. I just wanted to do a "shout out" to be mellow with folks on the trail -- an important point to remember as a cyclist in my opinion.

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I ride the W&OD a lot. The inner part of the trail if very full of people and makes it a hard place to ride at speed. I do all my riding west of Reston. The W&OD is a place that you find very much mixed traffic and any roadie worth his salt is going to know it. Any rider who does not have the skills to ride with others should stay off the trail and from the sounds of it the rider you described had no business on the MUP. A very large part of the MUP use is by people who are just enjoying the day at their own pace.
So if you see an old guy in a Poseur jersey blast past you on a C40 Colnago that would be me and I hope that even though I may be one of the faster guys on the W&OD I would hope that I would never be a rude one.
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Anyone who wants to yell at slow riders on an urban MUP is a tool. Tell him to put on his big boy pants and take to the road if he wants to be all hardcore.
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Originally Posted by DrPete
Anyone who wants to yell at slow riders on an urban MUP is a tool. Tell him to put on his big boy pants and take to the road if he wants to be all hardcore.
About sums it up. MUP stands for Multi Use Trail as I recall.
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I'd have told him to grow some balls and get off the MUP.
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i dont get it. some guy passed you, then later you and your wife dropped him?
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Originally Posted by Gene2308
Hey, this is really not a rant against anyone in particular, but my wife and I were riding the WAOD trail in Arlington VA (a popular trail for local residents, families, etc.) and was passed at one point by a white/blue lycra roadie guy and given a somewhat "dirty" look over his right shoulder as if my wife and I were ruining his ride, preventing him from maintaining his proper heart rate, or what not. I ride in cargo khaki shorts and hanes white t-shirts, but do ride a road bike. We ride at a slower pace of about 13mph and enjoy our rides and commutes...definitely not time-trial pace or anything.

A bit further ahead, and me not thinking anything of it, this same guy was on the side of the (very busy) trail arguing loudly with another cyclist about "get over on your side" and "ride all the way over if you're so slow" - things like that. I assume he was riding ahead of us and maybe got angry at a man riding too close to the center, or something like that.

Is it not a bit unreasonable to get angry at cyclists on a highly-used trail, on a Sunday morning, on labor day weekend?

I am not anti-roadie by any stretch. I have spoken to MANY friendly ones and have given and received aid on the roads I ride.

The fact is that EVERYONE will eventually mess up and drift into someone's path, or have their head in the clouds and slow someone down, etc. It is nice to think that when this happens, our fellow cyclists will only smile and exercise patience and that we will do the same when it happens to us. Riding is supposed to be fun .

That's all. I just wanted to do a "shout out" to be mellow with folks on the trail -- an important point to remember as a cyclist in my opinion.

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Hey there pal, I come the same area as you, and I can tell you there are alot of dicks that live here, they filter everywhere no matter what you do. Either be it riding a bike or driving your car. You will always run to bullies/jerkoffs. What you have to do is let them do what they want or if it interferes with your life, step up and let them have it. But dont get physical, only if the person trys to hurt you.

And to think I was going to ride all over where you live and D.C. I will still do it, but I will stick to the rules of the biking road and stay on the right and of coarse be passive and sensitive to other cyclists.

We need more empathy out there, it can be brutal.
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Originally Posted by Gene2308
Hey, this is really not a rant against anyone in particular, but my wife and I were riding the WAOD trail in Arlington VA (a popular trail for local residents, families, etc.) and was passed at one point by a white/blue lycra roadie guy and given a somewhat "dirty" look over his right shoulder as if my wife and I were ruining his ride, preventing him from maintaining his proper heart rate, or what not. I ride in cargo khaki shorts and hanes white t-shirts, but do ride a road bike. We ride at a slower pace of about 13mph and enjoy our rides and commutes...definitely not time-trial pace or anything.

A bit further ahead, and me not thinking anything of it, this same guy was on the side of the (very busy) trail arguing loudly with another cyclist about "get over on your side" and "ride all the way over if you're so slow" - things like that. I assume he was riding ahead of us and maybe got angry at a man riding too close to the center, or something like that.

Is it not a bit unreasonable to get angry at cyclists on a highly-used trail, on a Sunday morning, on labor day weekend?



I am not anti-roadie by any stretch. I have spoken to MANY friendly ones and have given and received aid on the roads I ride.

The fact is that EVERYONE will eventually mess up and drift into someone's path, or have their head in the clouds and slow someone down, etc. It is nice to think that when this happens, our fellow cyclists will only smile and exercise patience and that we will do the same when it happens to us. Riding is supposed to be fun .

That's all. I just wanted to do a "shout out" to be mellow with folks on the trail -- an important point to remember as a cyclist in my opinion.

Gene

He is just a Lance wanabe that's all. Most likely rides 5 miles as fast as he can and thinks that he's Lance. I bet it takes him more time to put his biking clothes on than it does for him to do his ride and act like a jerk.
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MUPs inside the beltway, by and large, are not a good place to expect to be able to do high speed training rides.
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Originally Posted by Walter
About sums it up. MUP stands for Multi Use Trail as I recall.
I would think it stands for multi use pathway. Ya know, cause there's a P there and not a T
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So where was the roadie?
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If he was a roadie he would have been on the road.

That was a Freddie.
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moral of the story: only freds 'race' MUPs.

which begs the question - why is this in the 41, and not commuting, hybrids, or general?
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have any of you tried to ride on the roads in this area? The drivers will literally KILL you. Not defending the roadies that passed you, but just pointing out that riding on the trails is sometimes a necessity in areas of very high traffic if you are unable to get out to the more rural areas (as I am familiar with this area and this trail in question)
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I appreciate the replys .

I additionally learned what "MUP" means by reading this post -- thanks guys.

I actually live in Alexandria (near Huntington) and commute via Mt. Vernon to Union Station (DC) to work each day by riding many DC roads. I really have had no problems and I do this daily (unless it is raining when I am ready to leave).

Glad to see that many folks are a bit more mellow and forgiving on the trails....cycle defensively!
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Originally Posted by melanotaenia
have any of you tried to ride on the roads in this area? The drivers will literally KILL you. Not defending the roadies that passed you, but just pointing out that riding on the trails is sometimes a necessity in areas of very high traffic if you are unable to get out to the more rural areas (as I am familiar with this area and this trail in question)
Outside of rush hours, I find the drivers around here pretty darn good about cyclists. Now, there are plenty of roads I don't ride on because of the speed of traffic and type of driver, but overall it's not bad. Expecting to ride at any speed on the MUP's is just crazy.

I've never actually ridden the W&OD, but I imagine its a lot like the CCT or Rock Creek. Joggers with music pumped up, moms running with strollers, dogs on long leashes, etc. Terrible place to ride if you are trying to go fast.
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Quel,

The W&OD is a great place to ride, the western part is a great place to ride solo at speed. Come on out sometime, park on Rt28 just past the CarMax and ride northwest

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I find that most roads are just fine also....far fewer drivers have become angry with me than previously when I lived in Springfield, MO where seemingly no one in the city rode bikes or knew how to react to cyclists.

The major MUP trails here in town are really not bad either....if you hit them on weekdays and avoid the busy hours. Even then they aren't "bad", you just have to be extra cautious for kids and more traffic.
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Originally Posted by Gene2308
The fact is that EVERYONE will eventually mess up and drift into someone's path, or have their head in the clouds and slow someone down, etc. It is nice to think that when this happens, our fellow cyclists will only smile and exercise patience and that we will do the same when it happens to us. Riding is supposed to be fun .
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You're right that riding is supposed to be fun but in that respect you need to pay attention. Ride as slow as you want but you don't need to take up the whole lane to do it and you don't need to ride side-by-side. Be predictable and be respectful that there are other people who want to enjoy their rides.
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If he was a roadie he would have been on the road.

That was a Freddie.
That is an insult to all Freds. Coffee shop tools are not deserving of the Fred label.
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Originally Posted by DrPete
Anyone who wants to yell at slow riders on an urban MUP is a tool. Tell him to put on his big boy pants and take to the road if he wants to be all hardcore.
+1 He just has to keep tot the right on the road or someone here will run him down.

MUPs have always been that way since they were first invented. It's my trail and I pay taxed so I can do what I want.
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Originally Posted by Jay Andriot
I ride the W&OD a lot. The inner part of the trail if very full of people and makes it a hard place to ride at speed. I do all my riding west of Reston. The W&OD is a place that you find very much mixed traffic and any roadie worth his salt is going to know it. Any rider who does not have the skills to ride with others should stay off the trail and from the sounds of it the rider you described had no business on the MUP. A very large part of the MUP use is by people who are just enjoying the day at their own pace.
So if you see an old guy in a Poseur jersey blast past you on a C40 Colnago that would be me and I hope that even though I may be one of the faster guys on the W&OD I would hope that I would never be a rude one.

Its funny, but I live in Reston and used to do most of my riding on the W&OD. It really never occured to me to ride on my own streets. Now I do loops right out my door and riding has never been better. The two lane roads in Reston are PERFECT for riding and I can go for hours without much need to stop.

The W&OD is for casual riders in my opinion and for "fun" rides only. (if you consider it fun) People walking dogs, kids in my lane and walkers in both lanes etc... have always made me very nervous.

Where do you ride in Reston?
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Originally Posted by melanotaenia
have any of you tried to ride on the roads in this area? The drivers will literally KILL you. Not defending the roadies that passed you, but just pointing out that riding on the trails is sometimes a necessity in areas of very high traffic if you are unable to get out to the more rural areas (as I am familiar with this area and this trail in question)
I ride the roads in the area quite a bit. Haven't been killed yet.
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i'll bite, i have a short temper sometimes when trying to go faster than the average Joe on the MUPs. i do get annoyed with people riding two and three wide when the trail is crowded. also, if you say "on the left" while giving enough lead time, get the heck over. as for riding on the road, it's more dangerous and you're more likely to get a flat. as for going to an area that is less crowded - logistically that is hard to do unless you have the means to drive your bike to these areas.

that being said, if you're riding on a weekend morning you have to be a little more patient. i'm sure everyone has been around jerk cyclists making dangerous passes giving dirty looks AND some old guy completely stopped in the middle of the trail looking at a squirrel.

lastly, what's wrong with trying to be Lance?
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