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Chorus equals Ultegra?

Old 09-13-09, 06:31 AM
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Chorus equals Ultegra?

So I'm at the bike shop yesterday to drop off my new Pedal Force RS2 w/ full 2010 Sram force group and dura-ace wheels for a build....when a few of us start discussing techy bike talk of groups, parts, components, etc.

It was established by all (except me) that campy chorus is the exact equivalent to shimano ultegra. My opinion was that of chorus being more dura-ace and upscale from ultegra.
Nah, they claim record is dura ace equal and sram force is right below (by only a tad) both dura ace and record.

O yeh.......sram rival is most definetly shimano 105...not ultegra. All these groups being the latest 2010 stuff. Ritchey stuff is better than FSA (which I do agree) and Easton is right there to.
A good discussion was had by all.
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Old 09-13-09, 07:19 AM
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quite frankly this market is like what boeing and airbus have, in that there's nothing that competes directly against each other, but the products fill in the gaps left by the other maker.

or I can be talking out of my ass.
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Old 09-13-09, 07:25 AM
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Yes, no, then again maybe.

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Old 09-13-09, 07:32 AM
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Sort of a silly argument when Campy now has four 11 speed groups - Super Record, Record, Chorus and Athena, that range in price from $1800 to $800 or less. The only 10 speed groups left are Centaur and Veloce.

Then there's the fact that you can interchange any component to upgrade a lower level group to something in between.

Pricewise, Campy will only compare well if you look at prices from the UK. Most US sources are still trying to sell at highly inflated prices, compared to last year.

In previous years, I could usually get a Chorus group with one or two parts upgraded to Record for about the same price as DA. A full Chorus gorup is most often priced a little higher than Ultegra.
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Trying to compare exactly amongst the three manufacturers is as rough as making comparisons amongst certain cars - you can compare on internal size vs external size vs horsepower vs price...

Eh, just like with the frames themselves, test ride the groups, buy the one you like best for the price you can afford. Don't worry about how it "ranks" compared to the other companies.

Oh, and give me Rival over Ultegra.
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Old 09-13-09, 08:53 AM
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Comparing groups is a lost cause because its just complete opinion. An individual either likes how one performs or it doesn't. They are so different in function and ergonomics that it just doesn't work to compare. Weight is the only concrete factor but what does that matter if you don't like how one performs? It's like comparing a Fender Strat to a Les Paul. They are SO different in sound in feel and in price but you can only say one is better or worse from an individual standpoint.
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I'll take a Les Paul over a Strat
Rival over Ultegra
Burger over a hot dog
Ford over Chevy
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Originally Posted by n8tron View Post
Comparing groups is a lost cause because its just complete opinion. An individual either likes how one performs or it doesn't. They are so different in function and ergonomics that it just doesn't work to compare. Weight is the only concrete factor but what does that matter if you don't like how one performs? It's like comparing a Fender Strat to a Les Paul. They are SO different in sound in feel and in price but you can only say one is better or worse from an individual standpoint.
+1

... and I'll take my custom wired swamp ash strat over the '80 LP custom I sold to build it any day
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Originally Posted by crash13 View Post
I'll take a Les Paul over a Strat
Rival over Ultegra
Burger over a hot dog
Ford over Chevy
continuing with the theme....

adidas over nike
Rugby over (us) football
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Originally Posted by n8tron View Post
It's like comparing a Fender Strat to a Les Paul. They are SO different in sound in feel and in price but you can only say one is better or worse from an individual standpoint.
Your comparison is bogus. There are legitimate points between Campy and Shimano, but everybody knows that LP is better!
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Originally Posted by rollin View Post
Yes, no, then again maybe.
+1. i ride Veloce (hardly high end). i've ridden my buddy's rig that has Dura Ace and don't like it much at all. shifting feels clunky and slow in comparison. so, whatever works for you i think.
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Old 09-13-09, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by crash13 View Post
I'll take a Les Paul over a Strat
Rival over Ultegra
Burger over a hot dog
Ford over Chevy
Well Done
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Old 09-13-09, 11:20 AM
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Actually can't wait for my build to be done.
Never rode sram force, only shimano dura-ace/ultegra components.

The guy at my LBS said you will be impressed w/ 2010 Force, especially the shifting ergonomics.
Said it will be a little clanky and noise'r than dura ace..but crisp and precise.
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Originally Posted by jamiewilson3 View Post
Your comparison is bogus. There are legitimate points between Campy and Shimano, but everybody knows that LP is better!
You're not playing the right strat
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Ultegra is like Chorus until the shifter gets some miles and you have to throw it in the garbage can while the Chorus gets $8.00 of parts and goes another eight years.
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Ultegra is like Chorus until the shifter gets some miles and you have to throw it in the garbage can while the Chorus gets $8.00 of parts and goes another eight years.
I'll want a new toy long before eight years are up.
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Sound wise, nothing sounds like a good Les Paul, and the same can be said about a good Strat. Construction wise, a Les Paul is a work of art, a Strat is a utility instrument. Same goes for Campy vs. Shimano (Campy being the Les Paul in this example)!

That said, nothing beats my PRS McCarty for the "plays like buttah" award!

IMHO, of course.
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Am I the only one here who doesn't know a damn thing about guitars?
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I rank them by weight, b/c all other factors depend on tuning and preference. So Rival > Ultegra.
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I don't think you can tune-in an extra cog. 11 speed has a plus there. No other shifter can drop up to 5 cogs with one push of a lever either. If you ever want a triple, Campy shifters can handle that too (even 11 speed). The other shifters also cost more and are not repairable for the most part.

This week, I'll be changing a pair of 2009 Centaur shifters over to 11 speed using parts from a wreck damaged Record 11 shifter. I can leave the Centaur carbon brake levers in place or change them out to Record in a few more minutes.
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If you ever want a triple, Campy shifters can handle that too (even 11 speed).
Can we now merge this with the double vs triple thread and have a truly outstanding winfest?
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DaveSS- You work for Campy or Ribble?
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Originally Posted by ThinLine View Post
So I'm at the bike shop yesterday to drop off my new Pedal Force RS2 w/ full 2010 Sram force group and dura-ace wheels for a build....when a few of us start discussing techy bike talk of groups, parts, components, etc.

It was established by all (except me) that campy chorus is the exact equivalent to shimano ultegra. My opinion was that of chorus being more dura-ace and upscale from ultegra.
Nah, they claim record is dura ace equal and sram force is right below (by only a tad) both dura ace and record.

O yeh.......sram rival is most definetly shimano 105...not ultegra. All these groups being the latest 2010 stuff. Ritchey stuff is better than FSA (which I do agree) and Easton is right there to.
A good discussion was had by all.
incorrect
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Am I the only one here who doesn't know a damn thing about guitars?
Guitar players... Always fiddling with their amps for that right tone. It's a moot point since they will not hear a thing after three rim shots of my Tama Bell Brass snare drum.

I have 2007 Chorus on my Pedal Force RS. Wonderful shifting and performance.
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Fender, Gibson, Campy, Shimano

First let me say I played an LP for 7 years and a Strat for just as many. They both have their strengths and as mentioned about Boeing and Airbus, one may fill in where the other falls short.

I found that a Peavey T-60 could cover all the bases in the right hands. I made a lot of money with my Peavey.

Now as far as groupos, I'm not so experienced. Maybe SRAM is the filler between Campy and Shimano. Shimano is all I have at this time. I have a mix of 105, Ultegra, and Dura-Ace. I have no complaints.

FWIW,

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