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Old 09-20-09, 06:31 PM
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By the way, on the Pedalforce site they state that while their ISP Frame comes with a long ISP, it is possible to cut the whole thing off and just use a seatpost. Their photos are of the bike in the fully cut form:
http://pedalforce.com/online/product...792c878cc92733
(second and third bullets)
So... when it's time to resell, just cut it all off and put in a seatpost.
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Old 09-20-09, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by botto View Post
wallets count as ID and/or credit in california?
People around here think that a business card printed on Avery stock is official.
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Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina View Post
Test rides are for newbs.

I think the last bike I test rode was in the early '90s.

Once you've been around for a while a geometry chart will get you most of the way. The subtleties of materials and build won't even be clear until you've put 1000km or more on the bike under various conditions.

I ride a new frame (or two) every year. I know my fit and just adjust what needs to be adjusted to make it work.

Most test rides are for noobs. They are the largest buying group out there and the least knowledgeable.
If I walk into a shop looking for a bike I know exactly what I want.
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Old 09-21-09, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Kai Winters View Post
Most test rides are for noobs. They are the largest buying group out there and the least knowledgeable.
If I walk into a shop looking for a bike I know exactly what I want.
Agreed.

Really a test ride for someone buying a $500.00 commuter is understandable, especially if they're not an experienced rider.

However, many people with a few years under their belts by a frame and build it themselves. No test ride needed.

I think if you're buying your first really expensive bike it would be hard to commit without a test ride. This I understand. But if you're at the point of dropping serious coin on a TT bike than you should already know exactly what you are looking for.
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Old 09-21-09, 08:04 AM
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its allready been said, but what did the OP want the shop to even do, cut the mast?
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Old 09-21-09, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Tress94 View Post
I don't think they like anyone in there unless you walk in fanning yourself with a Visa Black Card.
It's the American Express Black, that is so exclusive.

Are you the guy that looks a lot and never buys? What is your behavior like in that shop?
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Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina View Post
Test rides are for newbs.

I think the last bike I test rode was in the early '90s.

Once you've been around for a while a geometry chart will get you most of the way. The subtleties of materials and build won't even be clear until you've put 1000km or more on the bike under various conditions.

I ride a new frame (or two) every year. I know my fit and just adjust what needs to be adjusted to make it work.
so says the guy who sells frame on line. Of coarse you are against it, because you cant offer that service.
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Old 09-21-09, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by FlashUNC View Post
If you don't like the service/how you're treated at the shop, go to a new shop, or go home and cry and punch a pillow and post about it. To each his own I guess.
You sir are an idiot...I'm not crying, I'm asking a question. Nor am I reviewing the shop. Nor was trying to steal the bike, nor was I trying to waste anyones time...I have the money and I need a new TT frame. I could have left my wallet, car keys, road bike, and a map to my apartment.

I was simply asking if it is normal operating procedure. That is all. A simple, yes, or no would have done it. Most of you couldn't pass a 3rd graders reading comprehension quiz based on the responses to this post. Bloody amazing.

And the shops location doesn't mean anything, they are seconds from Prospect Park...
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Originally Posted by rtruectoc View Post
It's the American Express Black, that is so exclusive.

Are you the guy that looks a lot and never buys? What is your behavior like in that shop?
Behavior like? Haa ha haaa...it's the first time I've ever been in there. Idiot. Are you even reading the original post?
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Old 09-21-09, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Tress94 View Post
You sir are an idiot...I'm not crying, I'm asking a question. Nor am I reviewing the shop. Nor was trying to steal the bike, nor was I trying to waste anyones time...I have the money and I need a new TT frame. I could have left my wallet, car keys, road bike, and a map to my apartment.

I was simply asking if it is normal operating procedure. That is all. A simple, yes, or no would have done it. Most of you couldn't pass a 3rd graders reading comprehension quiz based on the responses to this post. Bloody amazing.

And the shops location doesn't mean anything, they are seconds from Prospect Park...
Whoah dude... relax.
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Originally Posted by AngryScientist View Post
its allready been said, but what did the OP want the shop to even do, cut the mast?
NO! Another IDIOT! Did you read the original post...oh, wait...no you didn't...I was asking if there was a work around since I didn't expect them to cut anything...and if not, then I guess the larger issues is, do test rides even matter?

Seems the vote is split on BF.
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Originally Posted by Tress94 View Post
You sir are an idiot...I'm not crying, I'm asking a question. Nor am I reviewing the shop. Nor was trying to steal the bike, nor was I trying to waste anyones time...I have the money and I need a new TT frame. I could have left my wallet, car keys, road bike, and a map to my apartment.

I was simply asking if it is normal operating procedure. That is all. A simple, yes, or no would have done it. Most of you couldn't pass a 3rd graders reading comprehension quiz based on the responses to this post. Bloody amazing.

And the shops location doesn't mean anything, they are seconds from Prospect Park...
so back to the question - what did you expect them to do, cut the mast so you could ride it?
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Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
+1,000,000. Can't test ride it, can't sell it used. Such a waste.
Those objections are overstatements.

As for selling it used, an ISP would limit your resale market if you're on the short end of the frame size. In my case, I'm on the high end of the frame size, and a very small amount of the mast was cut. If you're taller than me, you wouldn't fit my frame, and if you're shorter the mast can be cut. So anyone that could fit a Giant M/L with a seatpost can fit my bike. And there's 2cm of adjustment in addition to cutting it. Besides I didn't buy it to sell it.

As for Test riding, true, you can't ride the specific bike, but you could demo another bike that's already been cut. Besides how many times in purchasing a high end bike do you get the chance to demo it anyway, given size and availability issues. When I bought my bike, the supply was sufficiently limited, I had to buy sight unseen, to get one of the few available.

Conversely, there are several advantages; you can make a lighter, stiffer frame without the need to put more material in the seatpost clamping area. Admittedly, its a small advantage, but its an advantage. And more importanly, it makes a compact geometry frame look much better, imho.
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Originally Posted by rtruectoc View Post
so says the guy who sells frame on line. Of coarse you are against it, because you cant offer that service.
I'm not against it I just think more experienced riders get to the point where it isn't needed anymore.

I'd find it far more telling to speak with someone who has actually owned the frame and ridden it for some time than whatever first impression I might get from a test ride.

Not everyone is in this situation, however, as I mentioned in my next post.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
Those objections are overstatements.
I might be going out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure the average person has about as many people taller than him as he does shorter than him. That means that, on average, an ISP cuts the prospective secondhand buyers in half.


Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
As for selling it used, an ISP would limit your resale market if you're on the short end of the frame size. In my case, I'm on the high end of the frame size, and a very small amount of the mast was cut. If you're taller than me, you wouldn't fit my frame, and if you're shorter the mast can be cut.
That's good for you, but I'm the opposite, so any ISP frame I were to buy would likely have nowhere to go but the trash after I'm done with it. Since I use the money from selling my old parts to help fund the new ones, that makes an ISP a dumb move for me. Plus, like I said, not everyone can be on the high end of frame size like yourself. Most people are not.


Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
Besides I didn't buy it to sell it.
That's a good reason. So anyone who doesn't sell their old equipment shouldn't worry about resale. I have no idea what the percentages are on that.


Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
As for Test riding, true, you can't ride the specific bike, but you could demo another bike that's already been cut. Besides how many times in purchasing a high end bike do you get the chance to demo it anyway, given size and availability issues. When I bought my bike, the supply was sufficiently limited, I had to buy sight unseen, to get one of the few available.
This is a good point, as Bob also pointed out earlier. I will admit that I rarely test ride a frame I end up riding. If you know the geometry you want, you know if the bike will fit. The rest (ride characteristics) are just gravy. If it wasn't pros wouldn't be willing to just ride whatever was handed to them.

Still, I wouldn't be able to resell it, so I'd be better off buying the demo bike or one with a regular seatpost.


Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
Conversely, there are several advantages; you can make a lighter, stiffer frame without the need to put more material in the seatpost clamping area. Admittedly, its a small advantage, but its an advantage. And more importanly, it makes a compact geometry frame look much better, imho.
Small advantages for what I (and many other people) view as larger inconveniences. I'll stick with my seatpost and the extra 50g my bike weighs because of it. I've got more than 50g to trim off my stomach and ass anyway.
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A couple of things:

1) all ISP's that I've seen have some adjustment. I think mine has 3 inches or something. Maybe it's 3cm, so you are not automatically removing everyone who's taller than you from the prospective resale pool.

2) many designs also allow for a "mini-seatpost" to give you even more adjustments.

Nothing is as balck and white as has been spelled out above.
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Originally Posted by foresthill View Post
A couple of things:

1) all ISP's that I've seen have some adjustment. I think mine has 3 inches or something. Maybe it's 3cm, so you are not automatically removing everyone who's taller than you from the prospective resale pool.

2) many designs also allow for a "mini-seatpost" to give you even more adjustments.

Nothing is as balck and white as has been spelled out above.
Fair enough, but you agree that it limits or reduces the range of adjustability, right?
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