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A friend told me he rides at 60 mph when going downhill. Is he crazy ?

Old 09-23-09, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by W Cole View Post
Heres what a quick google search uncovered about road rash and secondary infection. I have been reading reports for years and have seen it mentioned several times. Ill let you guys know if I find anything else.

: several qoutes from google searches saying road rash can be bad :
Here's two likely scenarios for you:

1) Riding at 20 mph, crashes, scrapes leg 3 inches long and 1.5 inches wide, wipes it off, and then rides on. Gets home and too lazy/tired to shower. Next morning, goes about his/her daily business and barely washes scrape. Couple of days later, finds him/herself in the hospital for an infected wound.

2) Riding at 50 mph, crashes, scrapes leg 6 inches long and 3 inches wide, pours water on scrape, pats dry, puts a little ointment on it, and then rides on. Gets home, thoroughly cleans wound with soap and water, applies hydrogen peroxide, an antibotic ointment, and then covers it with a bandage. All of these steps are reapplied for a couple of days and life goes on.

Again, it's not the fall that caused the infection but what happened afterwards... There are some exceptions but if you follow the basic steps of scenario 2, regardless of speed, your wound will not become infected 99% of the time.
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Old 09-23-09, 06:43 AM
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12% grade, 76 km/h. Bike was perfectly stable and aside from the wind, didn't feel like I was going fast at all.

243 km/h on the Nurburgring - that felt fast. For a little while.

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I just read through this thread REALLY fast and fell out of my office chair and got some rug burn on my funny bone. Am I going to die of secondary irony infection?
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I've hit 55+ mph when I lived in Albuquerque. The fastest I can get to is just over 45 in my current area, every ride gets to at least 35.

The road rash thing is pretty amusing. I wear all my gear when on the motorcycle (covered head to toe in CE approved armor), even on the trips to run errands around town (I do not go over 35mph). I can accelerate and stop faster on the MC, plus I am seen better from it being a bigger vehicle... with lights. Maybe I don't need to wear my gear so much on the MC
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Old 09-23-09, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by H-Bear View Post
Here's two likely scenarios for you:

1) Riding at 20 mph, crashes, scrapes leg 3 inches long and 1.5 inches wide, wipes it off, and then rides on. Gets home and too lazy/tired to shower. Next morning, goes about his/her daily business and barely washes scrape. Couple of days later, finds him/herself in the hospital for an infected wound.

2) Riding at 50 mph, crashes, scrapes leg 6 inches long and 3 inches wide, pours water on scrape, pats dry, puts a little ointment on it, and then rides on. Gets home, thoroughly cleans wound with soap and water, applies hydrogen peroxide, an antibotic ointment, and then covers it with a bandage. All of these steps are reapplied for a couple of days and life goes on.

Again, it's not the fall that caused the infection but what happened afterwards... There are some exceptions but if you follow the basic steps of scenario 2, regardless of speed, your wound will not become infected 99% of the time.
Skip the hydrogen peroxide. It actually damages the skin and delays healing. And speaking as someone recovering from a 30+ MPH crash, Tegaderm wound covering is the best thing going.
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I think you have to pick your hills, some are better suited for speed than others, in Vermont where I ride in the summer there are some where I feel more comfortable at 35 to 40 than others. Forget about road rash, Im get concerned over cars and trucks turning in front of me or crowding the road.. Here in central jersey we have a few large hills. One I can get to 35 or so another about the same, but the later is more heavily trafficed so I rarely do more than 25.
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I've hit 60 once in my young indestructible days and it was hella thrill ride I'll never forget. If I had the opportunity to live near some mountains where descending could be practiced, a consistent, relatively safe 60 is not outside the realm of possibility. Crazy... no, b@lls out...you betcha.
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Originally Posted by zeo_max View Post
Not being a road biker myself, I don't know if that is normal, but on public roads, that sounds way too reckless. Crazy or not ?
Not normal. Definitely possible. Crazy in my book.

I've kissed 50 a few times. I have no desire to go 60. Once I break 45, I'm usually not having fun anymore.

The problem is that the kind of roads that are steep enough to give you those kind of speeds often have curves, crummy surfaces, gravel, or are exposed to winds that can destabilize you. I hold my arms wide on the drops so my aerodynamics stink and I descend slower than most.

I've hit bits of gravel, developed shimmies, and had tires go down at speeds over 40. In those cases, I barely held onto it and was glad I wasn't going faster.
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I feel safe at 45+ only because I'm riding an FS stumpy. I've hit slight bumps and cracks in the road, etc. and obviously the suspension and slightly bigger tires is an advantage at that speed.
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Originally Posted by oakback View Post
What's the best way to recover a shimmy?
My GPZ would do that at 98 mph.
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Originally Posted by oakback View Post
What's the best way to recover a shimmy?
Knees on top tube, weight back.
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
Knees on top tube, weight back.
And don't forget to wear a diaper.
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Originally Posted by DenisMenchov View Post
I feel safe at 45+ only because I'm riding an FS stumpy. I've hit slight bumps and cracks in the road, etc. and obviously the suspension and slightly bigger tires is an advantage at that speed.
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Originally Posted by 10 Wheels View Post
And don't forget to wear a diaper.
Quiet old man
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
Knees on top tube, weight back.
And relax. This is not a good time for a death grip or rigid arms.
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Pft--I've hit 58 this year, and plan to crack 60 at some point when the conditions permit--probably make a trip up to Baldy one of these weekends now that it's cooling off.
I've hit 160 on my old ZX9R on Fontana Speedway, and it still had a few more notches left on the tach.

The more anxious you get about it, the more you tense up, the less safe you become. (Notice I said "you", not "going fast". With reasonably balanced wheels, every road bicycle is capable of doing 60+ safely.

[Edit: and if you're thinking about staph infections, road rash, etc., chances are you're probably tensing up.]

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Yah, but if you go down at 60...hope that $20 Walmart helmet you got for $16 as a special Rollback price saves your life.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse View Post
60 mph on a tandem isn't that hard to attain. On a single bike, it's pretty tough. At least it's tough for me at 135 lbs, max speed 55.
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Originally Posted by H-Bear View Post

2) Riding at 50 mph, crashes, scrapes leg 6 inches long and 3 inches wide, pours water on scrape, pats dry, puts a little ointment on it, and then rides on. Gets home, thoroughly cleans wound with soap and water, applies hydrogen peroxide, an antibotic ointment, and then covers it with a bandage. All of these steps are reapplied for a couple of days and life goes on.

I've seen several people go down at 50mph. If they are not wearing gear its not going to be as simple as getting up and washing off their boo boo - I really wish it was. Most times its going to mean a trip to the hospital. 9/10 times your not going to ride away from it, especially having to peddal bicycle.

A close friend of mine went down this weekend at approx. 50mph on his motorcycle. Luckily he was wearing full gear and received little road rash and no broken bones, however his ribs/hip/shoulders were so bruised he could barely stand up much less pedal a bicycle home. Had he not been wearing CE approved body armor I can only imagine how much worse the bruising would have been.

I have also seen a close friend go down at 45mph on the freeway without gloves on. After the crash he tried to pick up the motorcycle but couldn't because his hands were far too bloody to even get a grip. There was no way he was riding that home - he couldn't even hold on to the bike if he wanted to. He was taken away in an ambulance.

I believe the types of injuries associated with these speeds are a bit more severe than you estimate.
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Originally Posted by DenisMenchov View Post


This idea of going 40+ and just suffering a small road rash if you go down is idiotic at best. Plus you roadies are built so fragile. You have hardly any muscle or any kind of padding on your bones. You guys watched the tour, a lot of guys went home even when falling at pretty normal speeds...around 20mph.

If you go around 40+ you take a chance of getting severely injured.
^this
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Does anyone remember ever seeing a protour rider going down on a descent...and then get up, grab a new bike and continue? I don't... not to say it hasn't happened, but I can't think of an instance.
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Originally Posted by umd View Post
I've never hit 60, but I've regularly gone over 50, it's not that big of a deal.
It is if you fall.
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Originally Posted by W Cole View Post
^this
My teammate hit the ground at 41. I know, he was next to me. He raced the next day.

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