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genius1265 10-10-09 09:07 AM

I once pulled a wheelie while clipped in to my mtb and started to tip back, their is no hope of unclipping. Bruised my tail bone so bad that I could barely walk or sit for a week. And yes I have also just tipped over because I did not know how to unclip. Also just fell over doing a track stand while clipped in.

genius1265 10-10-09 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by Rumpled (Post 9830593)
I've fallen numerous times. SPD's on a MTB.
First got the bike in 2003 - feel fell a few times and switched to platforms with toestraps. I am more comfortable with toestraps than clipless.
Last year tried to give clipless a go again. A few falls on the street, mostly when I've had to make sudden, unexpected stops. Mostly on the streets I have time to plan my releases.
On the dirt I've fallen more often. Usually it's when I've had to make those sudden, unexpected stops again. And on uphills. I have the hardest time clipping out while going uphill. So much so that I typically put one foot on the platform side if I think I may not make it up the hill.
Also, on expected difficult rides for me, I'll switch to platforms/toestraps to stop the bleeding.
I think for me there may be multiple things at play.
Pedals with not so much use; bad knees and ankles that turn heel inward much easier than heel outward; and possibly cleat adjustment.

I dont know how else to say this other than "This is really sad." I could never imagine clipless pedals creating such a problem.

banerjek 10-10-09 10:03 AM

Yes, but only twice when I was still learning to use them. I wonder how many of those who responded no don't use clipless pedals.

On a totally unrelated note, why do we say we're clipping in if the pedals are clipless?

cshell 10-10-09 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by banerjek (Post 9833253)

On a totally unrelated note, why do we say we're clipping in if the pedals are clipless?

I know the answer to this (as many here do).

But because of it, I think the term should be changed. "Clipless" doesn't seem right.

I clip my shoes in. "CLIP".

coasting 10-10-09 10:22 AM

so what's the point of the poll? seems to suggest what everyone knew anyway. most people have a fall

asmallsol 10-10-09 10:47 AM

When I started, I did not, although my mom has. She uses my old look delta pedals.

I have fallen recently because of them, although I don't blame them. In a 100 mile MTB race, midway through the day I had jumped off to cross a rocky dry river bed, when I got back on and went to pedal, my legs instantly crapped up right after I clipped in. I fell like a log, but got a good laugh out of it. That was one long day. 100 mile mtb race is much harder then 100 mile road race.

thegunner 10-10-09 11:33 AM

my cleats were too loose... so i couldn't unclip... goddamn 20 degrees of float! lol, sure learned my lesson...

Fixitman 10-10-09 02:02 PM

Yes .. And I managed to pull my groin in the process. I am still trying to figure that one out.

nukemustang 10-10-09 02:35 PM

Up until 3 weeks ago, I had only ridden with platform pedals, but with a new road bike, I went with the Speedplay light action pedals. I have not fallen yet, but I am very conscious about getting my feet out well in advance of stopping. I imagine it is only a matter of time.

umd 10-10-09 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by coasting (Post 9833315)
so what's the point of the poll? seems to suggest what everyone knew anyway. most people have a fall

I don't think the poll results bear that out.

BarracksSi 10-10-09 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by Randochap (Post 9830300)
It's true: Clips, TA J. Anquetil cleats with Alfredo Binda Extra straps snugged up were nearly impossible to pull out of, without reaching down and pushing the strap buckle open.

Here's what we used to use.

Neat gallery; I hadn't seen it before.

I voted "yes", because user error counts.

coasting 10-10-09 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by umd (Post 9834338)
I don't think the poll results bear that out.

why not? 73% say yes.

umd 10-10-09 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by coasting (Post 9834418)
why not? 73% say yes.

That's not "most"

coasting 10-10-09 03:08 PM

what % would you say "most" requires

OBXCycling.com 10-10-09 03:14 PM

"most" was never the issue. "Everybody" does not fall.

/thread

darkmagus 10-10-09 03:16 PM

most - \ˈmōst\ - 2 : the majority of
majority - \mə-ˈjor-ə-tē, -ˈjär-\ - 3 a : a number or percentage equaling more than half of a total

coasting 10-10-09 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by OBXCycling.com (Post 9834453)
"most" was never the issue. "Everybody" does not fall.

/thread

well what kind of idiot would claim "everybody" falls.

umd 10-10-09 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by coasting (Post 9834442)
what % would you say "most" requires

most is short for almost everyone. I don't know that I could assign a percentage to it, but in my mind 73% is not "almost everyone"

Thought of the other way, if "most" people fall, then it would be rare to not fall, but more than 1/4 of the responders said they did not fall, therefore it is not rare.

Anyway, people always say "everybody" falls. I challenged that statement in another thread and they responded that 99% fall. I challenged that and they said that "most" fall. I just wanted to try to quantify it.

OBXCycling.com 10-10-09 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by coasting (Post 9834472)
well what kind of idiot would claim "everybody" falls.


Originally Posted by umd (Post 9834488)
most is short for almost everyone. I don't know that I could assign a percentage to it, but in my mind 73% is not "almost everyone"

Thought of the other way, if "most" people fall, then it would be rare to not fall, but more than 1/4 of the responders said they did not fall, therefore it is not rare.

Anyway, people always say "everybody" falls. I challenged that statement in another thread and they responded that 99% fall. I challenged that and they said that "most" fall. I just wanted to try to quantify it.

Some of these kind of idiots.....:p
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=588619

coasting 10-10-09 03:23 PM

i want to hire umd as my quality control manager.

Buffybike 10-10-09 03:23 PM

I fell during a group ride a day after I got my clipless pedals. The group leader didn't call out a car in enough time and I had to stop unexpectantly...unclipped on the right, fell over left.

umd 10-10-09 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by darkmagus (Post 9834465)
most - \ˈmōst\ - 2 : the majority of
majority - \mə-ˈjor-ə-tē, -ˈjär-\ - 3 a : a number or percentage equaling more than half of a total

So then would you agree that most of the population of Earth is male?

coasting 10-10-09 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by OBXCycling.com (Post 9834494)
Some of these kind of idiots.....:p
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=588619

that's the kind of thread i don't bother opening. i know it will be full of disappointment.

umd 10-10-09 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by coasting (Post 9834472)
well what kind of idiot would claim "everybody" falls.

It's a fairly common theme on the bikeforums...


Originally Posted by coasting (Post 9834495)
i want to hire umd as my quality control manager.

No thanks, don't want to move to across the pond.

darkmagus 10-10-09 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by umd (Post 9834499)
So then would you agree that most of the population of Earth is male?

According to those numbers, yes, even if slightly. 72%+ is beyond slightly though. ;)

coasting 10-10-09 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by umd (Post 9834506)

No thanks, don't want to move to across the pond.

Don't blame you. cali is better.

Scooper 10-10-09 03:31 PM

3 or 4 times during the first week after going clipless, but haven't fallen since.

SPD.

Reynolds 10-10-09 03:31 PM

We could agree that in a BF poll (not every cyclist in the world), among those who answered it (not every BF clipless users) those who fell were more that those who didn't.

umd 10-10-09 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by darkmagus (Post 9834508)
According to those numbers, yes, even if slightly. 72%+ is beyond slightly though. ;)

a majority is a definition of most, but that is not how it is commonly used.

This is becoming a semantic argument, I would prefer to just let the numbers speak for themselves. The point of the thread was to illustrate that although falling [from inability to operate their pedals] is fairly common it is not a foregone conclusion, and there are a good number of people who have managed to avoid it.

rivethead 10-10-09 03:58 PM

The only time I've fallen I was actually stopped with one foot unclipped and on the ground. I was on a slight incline and turned to talk to someone. When I turned around the front wheel turned slightly and then rolled which made me lose my balance and I fell over. It was pretty damn funny.


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