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Arrogant Dr.'s Trial Finally Begins

Old 10-30-09, 06:12 PM
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At the risk of pissing off the attorneys on this forum, anybody know the difference between a lawyer and a bucket of slime?
One is extremely disgusting and not something you want to touch or be associated with. The other is in a bucket.

Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
Two week trial - probably $10k or so. Plus if he's convicted he can spend that again on an appeal. Not enough to break him though, probably not the reason he sold his house (if that's true).
Back in the late '90's, a real good defense attorney in Los Angeles that I knew charged $10,000 per day for trial. - with all the additional stuff, you can be sure he's well into the 6 figures by now.
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My favorite lawyer joke, in shorthand:

Why are experimenters replacing rats with lawyers for experiments?

THree reasons:

1. There are more lawyers than rats
2. The scientists do not grow attached to lawyers
3. There are some things rats just won't do.
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Hi,

My wife is involved with the criminal justice system in LA County. She knows Dr. Thompson's defense attorney peripherally and she has heard that he is a good attorney. She does not know the Deputy DA.

My wife also thinks that this should be a pretty simple win for the prosecution as the defense arguments are pretty weak. She knows LA juries pretty well. Let's just hope she's right.
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Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
True, but that would mean all 12 agreed on the absurd.
Well, sometimes the law is absurd or the verdict does not serve justice as it understood by people. I'm glad that there is such a thing as jury nullification.
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Relax doc; I'm sure you never made a lawyer joke....
I used to. Then I got sued for $1,000,000 in damages after causing $450 to someone's car in a fender bender and every asset I had was potentially up for grabs.

I'm used to that too... people have all kinds of choice words about doctors until it's their behind or their loved one's that's getting saved...
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Originally Posted by Cleave View Post
Hi,

My wife is involved with the criminal justice system in LA County. She knows Dr. Thompson's defense attorney peripherally and she has heard that he is a good attorney.
Ask her to estimate his fee for this case... Thompson was charged way back in July so there was quite a bit of stuff prior to the trial, but it's probably typical of similar cases as far as work load.
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This thread was a good read.

I assume all the jury drive cars, and none drive bicycles. Therefore he is free to go. If he is found guilty he'll probably get a small fine or community service as he has no other convictions. I was on a jury and we found a man guilty of murder. Some on juries do not understand the arguments or are not bothered. In this case its a fine upstanding professional against poor people who can only afford bicycles and shock horror were probably wearing lycra (thats how some on the jury will see it).

Fingers crossed he gets five years.
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Originally Posted by DrPete View Post
I'm used to that too... people have all kinds of choice words about doctors until it's their behind or their loved one's that's getting saved...
I thought about becoming a doctor, but I can't stand the sight of money.

... so I became a teacher!
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If you don't like attorneys or our civil tort system or criminal justice establishment, we can always go back to the old way of settling disputes and meting out justice: brute violence and vigilantism. Would you numbskulls actually prefer that?
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
If you don't like attorneys or our civil tort system or criminal justice establishment, we can always go back to the old way of settling disputes and meting out justice: brute violence and vigilantism. Would you numbskulls actually prefer that?
Well... the numbskulls prob'ly would. The main problem with the legal system is lying witnesses, not the lawyers. Oh, yeah, and legislators and constituencies who try to legislate morality.
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
If you don't like attorneys or our civil tort system or criminal justice establishment, we can always go back to the old way of settling disputes and meting out justice: brute violence and vigilantism. Would you numbskulls actually prefer that?
You don't visit P&R very often, do you?
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Originally Posted by DrPete View Post
You don't visit P&R very often, do you?
That would be too high brow for Pcad.

In the two jury's that I served on that went to deliberation I was amazed how many didn't heed the Judges instructions. They are quite explicit and tell you exactly what you can and cannot deliberate about. Many times the instructions given seem to go against common sense but are based on what letter of the law actually states. We ended up arguing about what we could argue about. It wasn't until our foreperson asked the Judge to clarify (basically explain that you had to follow his instructions) did we get to the actual decision making.
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Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
I thought about becoming a doctor, but I can't stand the sight of money.

... so I became a teacher!

(possible thread lock now?)
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Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo View Post
That would be too high brow for Pcad.

In the two jury's that I served on that went to deliberation I was amazed how many didn't heed the Judges instructions. They are quite explicit and tell you exactly what you can and cannot deliberate about. Many times the instructions given seem to go against common sense but are based on what letter of the law actually states. We ended up arguing about what we could argue about. It wasn't until our foreperson asked the Judge to clarify (basically explain that you had to follow his instructions) did we get to the actual decision making.
It is the attorney's job to emphasize the instructions he wants the jury to pay most attention to and get a commit from them to do so during jury selection. Then he reminds them of their commitment during closing.
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Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo View Post
In the two jury's that I served on that went to deliberation I was amazed how many didn't heed the Judges instructions. They are quite explicit and tell you exactly what you can and cannot deliberate about. Many times the instructions given seem to go against common sense but are based on what letter of the law actually states. We ended up arguing about what we could argue about. It wasn't until our foreperson asked the Judge to clarify (basically explain that you had to follow his instructions) did we get to the actual decision making.
At least you came to a conclusion. We had one holdout, and we read and explained the definition of circumstantial evidence to her. We even had the judge read it himself, but he said he couldn't paraphrase, so we went back in and tried for another day. Deadlocked.
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Reading this makes me look forward to my first jury duty more and more.
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Reading this makes me look forward to my first jury duty more and more.
It's a very interesting experience. I actually enjoy serving, but I have a moral objection to people being required to serve for less than min wage. As a state employee, I don't get paid anything, yet they claim the $15/day is so we can buy lunch. So are government employees not supposed to eat? At work, I commonly bring leftovers, but there's no fridge for jurors.
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Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
It's a very interesting experience. I actually enjoy serving, but I have a moral objection to people being required to serve for less than min wage. As a state employee, I don't get paid anything, yet they claim the $15/day is so we can buy lunch. So are government employees not supposed to eat? At work, I commonly bring leftovers, but there's no fridge for jurors.
Quit corrupting my youthful idealism!
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Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
It's a very interesting experience. I actually enjoy serving, but I have a moral objection to people being required to serve for less than min wage. As a state employee, I don't get paid anything, yet they claim the $15/day is so we can buy lunch. So are government employees not supposed to eat? At work, I commonly bring leftovers, but there's no fridge for jurors.
Wait a minute here Mr. Doright.
You do not receive your full teacher salary while on jury duty?
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Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
It's a very interesting experience. I actually enjoy serving, but I have a moral objection to people being required to serve for less than min wage. As a state employee, I don't get paid anything, yet they claim the $15/day is so we can buy lunch. So are government employees not supposed to eat? At work, I commonly bring leftovers, but there's no fridge for jurors.
I was doing jury duty in LA when the pay was raised from $5 to $15 per day. Percentage-wise, best raise I ever got!
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Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
If you don't like attorneys or our civil tort system or criminal justice establishment, we can always go back to the old way of settling disputes and meting out justice: brute violence and vigilantism. Would you numbskulls actually prefer that?
That sounds like the doctor's preferred method.
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That doctor should not DRIVE a car, let alone practice medicine. Is there any legal way to have him disbarred and/or invalidate his medical license? His words to the 911 operators that the riders injuries were not serious is absolutely disgusting knowing that this man is a Emergency Physician!

Both his drivers license and his medical license needs to be taken away. Is this possible?
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Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo View Post
They are quite explicit and tell you exactly what you can and cannot deliberate about. Many times the instructions given seem to go against common sense but are based on what letter of the law actually states. ...
Well, screw the letter then if it does not conform to common sense. From my point of view many laws should be just scraped/replaced.
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An article in today's L.A. Times about the trial:

https://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...0,159992.story

Let's hope the jury convicts. Arrogance, thy name is Dr. Christopher Thompson.
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Originally Posted by spry View Post
Wait a minute here Mr. Doright.
You do not receive your full teacher salary while on jury duty?
Perhaps you missed the point.
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...yet they claim the $15/day is so we can buy lunch...
Since they have no fridge, I have to buy lunch instead of bringing in leftovers like I usually do. So I'm out the cost of my lunch. Also, they don't give me the $15 even if I was supposed to be off that day anyway. Like a good teacher, I try to serve over the Summer, but that's like working on a paid vacatio day.

But my complaint isn't really about me. It's not that much. What bugs me is that $15/day is nothing to those who are self employed or do not get paid while at jury service. I think the state should be required to pay those people min wage at least. Nowhere else in the state is someone allowed to pay $15 for a 6 hour day.
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