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Arrogant Dr.'s Trial Finally Begins

Old 11-03-09, 12:08 PM
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[quote=TysonCook;9974112]I know that MANY of you will disagree here but I don't think that incarceration is the BEST way to go....

Just some thoughts to chew on...this guy probably has never been convicted of anything else, where MANY others in Cali (and across the country) have been convicted of multiple violent/sexual crimes time and time again that are released every day secondary to "jail crowding".



Are you connected with the Dr. in some way?

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Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
Otherwise, it's exactly what was said above: a vacation.
even the Federal "pound-me-in-the-ass" prisons?
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He should have his driver's license revoked and car impounded. Then give him three months to prove he has bicycled to work and back at least 40 weekdays and participated in five organized group rides - at which point the judge gives him his car and license back. Actually, this should have been done before he caused an accident, to break the "us vs them" mentality.
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sure, if by vacation you mean getting beat and raped by various gangs for not performing favors, then it certainly is a vacation. i think it will a great learning experience for the doc.
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[QUOTE=OCRider2000;9975717]
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I know that MANY of you will disagree here but I don't think that incarceration is the BEST way to go....

Are you connected with the Dr. in some way?
No, but I do see a LOT of criminals come through the ED...over and over and over and over...who also have much worse offenses and are a much higher threat to society.

I'm playing devils advocate, but also just really am trying to sense why we have 1-2million incarcerated individuals in the US, and if adding this one in particular would actually help ANYONE. Traditionally jail sentences were meant as punishment/rehabilitation, and generally NOT as "example" cases.
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Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
I think prisons should be run like their own little cities. You work or you don't eat. Otherwise, it's exactly what was said above: a vacation.
I like a modified "Escape from New York" method:

1) Wall off an island permanently.
2) Drop all the prisoners over the wall.
3) Every month drop half the food and water required for all, for a month, over the wall.
4) Let nature take its course.

Done.
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Originally Posted by khatfull View Post
I like a modified "Escape from New York" method:

1) Wall off an island permanently.
2) Drop all the prisoners over the wall.
3) Every month drop half the food and water required for all, for a month, over the wall.
4) Let nature take its course.

Done.
is this for all criminals or just those who have exhausted their appeals?
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Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
is this for all criminals or just those who have exhausted their appeals?
Hmmm....good question. You're looking for a definition of criminal.

Ok, those who have exhausted their appeals or those for whom DNA evidence was present and undeniably tied them to the crime. Murder, ****, assualt with a deadly weapon. Good list to start.
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As a physician the Dr. was fully aware of how fragile the human body is. I have a hard time believing that prior to committing his crimes he didn't know knew that these riders might be killed as a result. This is one scary guy who most likely is beyond rehabilitation but needs to be put behind bars in order to protect society.

It's one thing for motorists to yell\honk at cyclists or even brush by close. It's entirely different when a driver tries to purposely kill or injure you.
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Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
even the Federal "pound-me-in-the-ass" prisons?
I didn't say it was a pleasant vacation.


Originally Posted by khatfull View Post
I like a modified "Escape from New York" method:

1) Wall off an island permanently.
2) Drop all the prisoners over the wall.
3) Every month drop half the food and water required for all, for a month, over the wall.
4) Let nature take its course.

Done.
I've always been for penal colonies. One remote island for every type of crime. All the ******* go to one island, murderes to another, etc. That way, they are living among people who agree with their set of morals. In my opinion, if you choose not to live by a society's rules, you have no right living in it. How you make your own world is your problem.
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Penal colonies would be brilliant.

Think of the advertising revenue from the reality TV shows.
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[quote=TysonCook;9975843]
Originally Posted by OCRider2000 View Post

No, but I do see a LOT of criminals come through the ED...over and over and over and over...who also have much worse offenses and are a much higher threat to society.

I'm playing devils advocate, but also just really am trying to sense why we have 1-2million incarcerated individuals in the US, and if adding this one in particular would actually help ANYONE. Traditionally jail sentences were meant as punishment/rehabilitation, and generally NOT as "example" cases.


According to Pew Center on the States as of 2008 2.3 million people were behind bars in the United states. Of these 600,000 were for drug offenses.

If we are going to prioritize who should be incarcerated I would think we would all agree that those who commit crimes of violence should be at the top of the list. The crime committed by the good Dr. was most certainly a crime of violence.

Are you asserting that the good Dr. is being made an "example" of by placing him in prison because he assulted and caused grave injuries to a pair of cyclists? I'm not following your logic here. This is an example of the sort of offender who SHOULD BE placed behind bars.

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Old 11-03-09, 01:11 PM
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Don't forget the good doctor is a repeat offender. He did his crime more than once, it took an arrest and conviction to stop him. How many more like him are out there, for which lenient sentencing will prove that decency and the law are no deterrent?
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A few friends... US prison system is bananas. I don't think justice is served when a person goes to prison to be raped and beaten. Surely prison is bad enough, living your life behind bars while precious time slips away.

I'm starting to feel sorry for this guy should he have to do some serious time. Incredible as I am a commuter and have had my own close shaves on the road. I definitely had no sympathy for him when I thought he'd get away with it and worse, showed no remorse or regard for his fellow man.
Agreed. Despite having more than one occasion where, in the heat of the moment, I've fantasized about taking the law into my own hands and beat the ever-living-snot out of some downright nasty drivers, I feel a twinge of sorrow for the guy. But, like you said, seemingly showing no remorse for what was done and also trying to weasel out of it is when it gets hard to show any sympathy for the guy --- let's see what the judge thinks.

Does anyone know if he'll have a chance to speak to the judge or court at the time of sentencing? That may be his last chance to throw himself at the mercy of the court/judge by showing some genuine regret, sorrow, and accepting responsility. If he does that (and the judge believes him), I wonder if it'll affect his sentence.

Also, IMO, this verdict cuts both ways and could be a pretty stark reminder to both cyclists and "cagers" to not react in the heat of the moment -- especially me.
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For every guy like this who gets nailed, how many cyclists are murdered each year in 'accidents' on the road, for which the perpetrator doesn't even get a traffic summons.

Plenty.
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For every guy like this who gets nailed, how many cyclists are murdered each year in 'accidents' on the road, for which the perpetrator doesn't even get a traffic summons.

Plenty.
I know. And this is usually one of the reasons why I sometimes want to rip the head off of a motorist.

One thing that can be said about group rides (and it probably played in favor of the cyclists in this case) is that at least there are a lot of witnesses for when/if a motorist decides to take you or a buddy out.
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I am assuming you mean what precedent this will have on any other California court cases not related to this one? None. This is a trial level court, not an appellate court. This verdict has no precedential effect.

As to how this will affect any future civil proceeding, that depends. The convictions will certainly aid the cyclists in proving causation and damages, as generally convictions of crimes are usable in related civil matters. That being said, I am not sure how California law handles this, nor am I sure whether or not the defendant would be estopped from raising any new defenses or re-litigating any previous issues (as he has no obligation in the criminal trial to defend himself).

Lastly, now this can be somewhat a double edged sword. The criminal convictions establish that the ∆ acted intentionally and willfully. Because of this, it can be grounds for his auto and umbrella (if he has one) insurers to deny coverage. This means he is paying his own freight both for a civil defense attorney and for any potential damage award. I am assuming he has assets, and I am assuming they are already attached by the cyclists. Note also, that willful and malicious acts are generally not dischargeable in bankruptcy proceedings, so this is something that could economically crush him for the rest of his life.

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Shame that the results of this case will not have "precedent" in the other 49 states.We really need more continuity(state to state) in our legal system.


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I posted here a few days back. This morning I learned on an Irish forum that he was convicted.

He wanted to teach a lesson. He will learn (and hopefully others) that he had no authority to be a self-appointed enforcer.

Oh happy day.
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LA Times:

A physician accused of deliberately injuring two cyclists by slamming on his car's brakes on a narrow Brentwood road was convicted Monday of mayhem, assault with a deadly weapon and other serious criminal charges.

Dr. Christopher Thompson, 60, slumped forward and held his face in his hands after the verdicts were announced in a courtroom packed mostly with supporters and cyclists.

Deputy Dist. Atty. Mary Stone, who prosecuted the case, asked for Thompson to be jailed immediately, calling him a flight risk and a safety threat to cyclists.

"There's not a cyclist in Los Angeles who would feel comfortable with this defendant out on the road after this verdict," Stone told the court.

Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Scott T. Millington ordered that Thompson be taken into custody. Thompson, wearing a dark blue suit, grimaced and shook his head as a bailiff cuffed his hands behind his back.

The veteran emergency room doctor, who spent more than two decades working at Beverly Hospital in Montebello, was also convicted of battery with serious injury and reckless driving causing injury. He faces up to 10 years in prison when he is sentenced Dec. 3.

The three-week trial in the Superior Court's airport branch was watched closely by bicycle riders around the country, many of whom viewed the case as a test of the justice system's commitment to protecting cyclists. The July 4, 2008, crash also highlighted simmering tensions between cyclists and motorists on Mandeville Canyon Road, the winding five-mile residential street where the crash took place.

Prosecutors alleged that Thompson stopped his car after passing the two cyclists and shouting at them to ride single file. The cyclists testified that they began maneuvering to ride one after the other when they noticed Thompson's car approaching fast behind them but that the driver passed dangerously close before abruptly stopping.

Ron Peterson, a coach for USC's and UCLA's cycling team, was flung face-first into the rear windshield of the doctor's red Infiniti, breaking his front teeth and nose and lacerating his face. Christian Stoehr, the other cyclist, hurtled to the sidewalk and suffered a separated shoulder.

A police officer testified that Thompson told him soon after the accident that the cyclists had cursed at him and flipped him off, so he slammed on his brakes "to teach them a lesson."

Thompson testified that he never meant to hurt the riders. He said he and other residents were upset at unsafe cycling along the road, which has become an increasingly popular route for bicycle riders in recent years. But they had struggled to identify problem cyclists.

Thompson told jurors that the riders cursed at him and flipped him off when he yelled at them to ride single file. He stopped his car so that he could take a photo of the cyclists and believed he had left enough room for them.

But prosecutors alleged Thompson had a history of run-ins with bike riders, including a similar episode four months before the 2008 incident, when two cyclists told police that the doctor tried to run them off the road and braked hard in front of them. Neither of the riders was injured.

Outside court, the cyclists in the case said they were relieved at the outcome.

"Our hope is that this brings to light how vulnerable cyclists are out there," Peterson, 41, told reporters. His face was permanently scarred from the crash and he underwent reconstructive surgery on his nose, which he said remains numb.

Stoehr, 30, said the crash left him unable to work for months and that he rarely rides his bike anymore. Nevertheless, Stoehr said he felt some sympathy for Thompson as he watched the physician being led away in handcuffs.

"It's sad for both sides," Stoehr said. "I lost a lot of my time and my life, and he's losing a lot of his."
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Wonder if the close observation of the cycling community compelled the judge to treat this as a real felony?They(judges) do like to "ham" for the media.
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Wonder if the close observation of the cycling community compelled the judge to treat this as a real felony?They(judges) do like to "ham" for the media.
The judge had nothing to do with the charges. The DA's office does that. In fact, there was surprisingly little written about the judge.
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The judge had nothing to do with the charges. The DA's office does that. In fact, there was surprisingly little written about the judge.
Nor should there be. That would be like writing about the referee in a football game. Unless they do something controversial, they are simply there to enforce the rules. Of course, both have power to bend them a little.
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The judge had nothing to do with the charges. The DA's office does that. In fact, there was surprisingly little written about the judge.
True.

Spry's comment should have been "DA's really love to ham it up for the media", which is very true.

Good outcome though.
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Riding to work this morning, the bitter irony struck me ...

Dr. Thompson is pudgy, arrogant, and very obviously stressed out. And who does he lash out at? Cyclists ... the very people that could have helped him.
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More legal stuff.

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