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Arrogant Dr.'s Trial Finally Begins

Old 10-29-09, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by danarnold View Post
I assume when 'license suspended' is mentioned they are talking about his driver's license, not his medical license. This court does not have jurisdiction to deal with his medical license. Unless Calif. has a completely different system than other States, a criminal conviction is a factor the Medical licensing board may consider if a complaint is lodged with them.
He still has a valid medical license. See here: http://licenselookup.mbc.ca.gov/lice...seNumber=31475


Not for much longer, I hope.


If he is convicted of a felony, he immediately has his license suspended, it seems, and would most likely lose it for good. http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/di...file=2220-2319
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Having served on a couple of jury's (all were in SoCal) where we had to deliberate I'm holding my breath that this guy gets convicted. I'm betting that this jury has some pretty solid pre conceived notions about cyclist...there will be a lot of "they had it coming" in their mindset.
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I love how they ask him if he slammed on the brakes and when he says, "no!" they play the 911 call and the recording of HIM saying he slammed on the brakes!

But I agree with other posters here -- he's unlikely to be convicted.
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I'm gonna disagree here. I think he will be convicted, and without a lot of deliberation.

The issue, however, is going to be the punishment. I want him to get jail time, and I'm not sure that is going to happen. That issue is with the judge.

On one hand, this is his first conviction. On the other hand, it is clearly not his first offense. I suspect a suspended sentence, house arrest, or other hand slap is in the cards, and that would piss me off.

Of course, any criminal conviction would sure make a subsequent civil case easier.
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Old 10-29-09, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Biker395 View Post
I'm gonna disagree here. I think he will be convicted, and without a lot of deliberation.

The issue, however, is going to be the punishment. I want him to get jail time, and I'm not sure that is going to happen. That issue is with the judge.

On one hand, this is his first conviction. On the other hand, it is clearly not his first offense. I suspect a suspended sentence, house arrest, or other hand slap is in the cards, and that would piss me off.

Of course, any criminal conviction would sure make a subsequent civil case easier.
Well, we know where he lives.

Who's up for Mandeville Cyn repeats?
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Originally Posted by Fat Boy View Post
It's a SoCal courtroom. Somehow I feel the jury is going to screw this up just like they screw up every other case.
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Old 10-29-09, 07:20 PM
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Careful, as his sentence, we may send the good Dr. Thompson back to Oklahoma where he trained in the healing arts. Or maybe Ohio.

Oklahoma, Ohio... what's the difference, really?

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He's gonna walk, no doubt about it.
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Originally Posted by DScott View Post
Careful, as his sentence, we may send the good Dr. Thompson back to Oklahoma where he trained in the healing arts. Or maybe Ohio.

Oklahoma, Ohio... what's the difference, really?

We still hold public lynchings for scoundrels around these parts fella.
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This issue is not just about bikes and cars. Aggressive driving and road rage happens evey day all over the country. We (bikers) are of course much more vulnarable against cars, trucks. My problem is with the entire legal system. The twisted system that's totally setup for lawyers to make more money. Does it really take this much time to convict a guy who actaully admitted what he did on a 911 call and to the officer on the scene? He actually stated that he wanted to teach the cyclsist a lesson. What else is there to talk about for a whole week?
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Originally Posted by The Weak Link View Post
He's gonna walk, no doubt about it.
After all, he was just taking their picture.
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Originally Posted by DrPete View Post
I guess my point is that everyone should be held to the higher standard, not the lower one.
+1 a few years ago my humanities teacher mentioned that the reason that american society has had a moral decline in the last decades is the idea of the lowest common denominator.
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Originally Posted by DScott View Post
Well, we know where he lives.

Who's up for Mandeville Cyn repeats?
Maybe 1000 cyclists descending V-E-R-Y slowly on the day he has to go to the court for sentencing? We know where the twot lives.
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Originally Posted by DScott View Post
Careful, as his sentence, we may send the good Dr. Thompson back to Oklahoma where he trained in the healing arts. Or maybe Ohio.

Oklahoma, Ohio... what's the difference, really?

Sorry, but we're no longer accepting crazies. Full up for now, but check back with us later.

And the difference between Oklahoma & Ohio? We have more rideable days.

Cheers!
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Old 10-29-09, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by spry View Post
We still hold public lynchings for scoundrels around these parts fella.
Done. He's all yours!


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It's really a perfect system: first, we knock everything down with the earthquakes, Then, some arsonist will be around shortly to set things ablaze. The Santa Ana winds then fan the flames. The riots take care of whatever's left. And since gov.org is broke, there's no police or fire fighters to take care of things. Finally, the floods wash it all into the ocean. But it's OK because we all have really, really high self-esteem.

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Maybe 1000 cyclists descending V-E-R-Y slowly on the day he has to go to the court for sentencing? We know where the twot lives.
I personally would not want to hold this guy up for his sentencing.
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I personally would not want to hold this guy up for his sentencing.
At worst he will get is a slap on the wrist. *shrug
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At worst he will get is a slap on the wrist. *shrug
Well, after that happens, we can schedule a monthly critical mass that goes up Mandeville and we can all slap our wrists as we pass his house.
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Well, after that happens, we can schedule a monthly critical mass that goes up Mandeville and we can all slap our wrists as we pass his house.
his head will explode and he'll plow us all down. Maybe he'll be fined afterward
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his head will explode and he'll plow us all down. Maybe he'll be fined afterward
And get a severe tongue lashing.
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Originally Posted by Fat Boy View Post
It's a SoCal courtroom. Somehow I feel the jury is going to screw this up just like they screw up every other case.

SoCal gets what it deserves. I've been selected for 5 jury's 2 went to deliberation. Unfortunately, for the most part, the jury pool in SoCal is made up of retirees, government employees and the unemployed. Very few employers pay for jury duty so you end up with people who don't want to be there. In the two trials that went to deliberation you'd have been horrified by the discussions taking place.

This is why I'm pretty pessimistic about this guy getting convicted. Too much projection and not enough objective thought will go into how this jury will decide.
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Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo View Post
SoCal gets what it deserves. I've been selected for 5 jury's 2 went to deliberation. Unfortunately, for the most part, the jury pool in SoCal is made up of retirees, government employees and the unemployed. Very few employers pay for jury duty so you end up with people who don't want to be there. In the two trials that went to deliberation you'd have been horrified by the discussions taking place.

This is why I'm pretty pessimistic about this guy getting convicted. Too much projection and not enough objective thought will go into how this jury will decide.
So true. The last jury I served on had 1 other teacher, 1 classified public school employee, 1 actor seeking work, 1 singer seeking work, 1 "self employed" teen, 2 retirees, and one house mom. The alternates were a retiree and a house mom, and the other 3 had "normal" jobs.
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I tried a drug case here in Nj as a prosecutor back in the 70s against 5 Ds.The way the challenge system worked then I was screwed.We ended up with a couple of hippies on the jury who although they swore that they would follow the laws as the judge gave it to them in the jury room they took the position that they would never convict as they didnt believe that drugs should be criminal .Best as I can recall there was alot of meth and other hard drugs involved. The case went down the drain. There's alot of nuts all over that end up on juries.

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Originally Posted by PSR215 View Post
I tried a drug case here in Nj as a prosecutor back in the 70s against 5 Ds.The way the challenge system worked then I was screwed.We ended up with a couple of hippies on the jury who although they swore that they would follow the laws as the judge gave it to them in the jury room they took the position that they would never convict as they didnt believe that drugs should be criminal .Best as I can recall there was alot of meth and other hard drugs involved. The case went down the drain. There alot of nuts all over that end up on juries.
Wouldn't that be grounds for a mistrial? It would seem like a murder trial with a jury full of serial killers.
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