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Old 10-20-09, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Flatballer View Post
You're doing it wrong. Our club makes money on our races, because we also host a USAC race at the same time. It's a lot more work, but you also make a lot of money. Our USAC race (Wolfpack Cycling Classic) is a huge early season race in these parts, and usually draws about 500 non-collegiate racers (from the wild ass guess department, I don't really remember).

Your fixed costs remain largely the same (same road closures, a few more cops, same volunteers, same permits, etc), but your income goes way up.
You know, that's a pretty good idea. It will definitely be extra work, but if we can pull in some money off of hosting the race, then everybody wins. Getting the initial funding for everything is going to be the hard part for us. Isn't it somewhere around $15k-$20k for a race of that scale?
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Old 10-20-09, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by RVD72 View Post
I'm partial to Cal (UC Berkeley) and Penn since those are my two alma mater schools.

Cal is great because Tilden park is right next to campus so there are some great hills to climb. If you're willing to drive a bit, you also have Mt. Diablo and Mt. Hamilton which are great.

Penn is great because the school has a great Ivy League feel to it with 4 seasons, etc. But the winter does get cold and you'll be indoors more than you'd like.

I live in LA and the weather is nice but it can be a bit difficult to find some nice climbs next to campus. Except for a few schools you will likely need to bike for awhile (or drive...ew) to get to a hill. I usually go up Palos Verdes but Mt. Baldy is nice.

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Drive to Mt. Diablo, and Mt. Hamilton? From Sproul you can just ride to Mt. Diablo and either do a whole climb or more common scenario just the rangers station. For Mt. Hamilton you can take BART to Pleasanton and do a loop through Mt. Hamilton to Fremont station.

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Old 10-20-09, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by kudude View Post
yeah. 50-55 second laps. up. down. up. down. up. down.....................................................
Get blown off the back on lap 4 or 5... It is still my favorite crit thought. I must be crazy. The best thing now is that I can do it twice in one day.

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Old 10-20-09, 07:55 AM
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I've been coaching Columbia for a few years and I think that the Eastern and Western conferences are probably the best because they offer the widest range of categories and are the biggest. The Eastern conference may be a little better because the travel demands are lower than most of the other conferences.

If you want to come out on a ride with us, let me know... your neighbors in Morningside Heights.
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Old 10-20-09, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ri_us View Post
I've been coaching Columbia for a few years and I think that the Eastern and Western conferences are probably the best because they offer the widest range of categories and are the biggest. The Eastern conference may be a little better because the travel demands are lower than most of the other conferences.

If you want to come out on a ride with us, let me know... your neighbors in Morningside Heights.
If your talking to me. And i assume that your talking about Columbia University in NYC. Yes i would like to come out to ride with you guys.
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Old 10-20-09, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by roy5000x2 View Post
You know, that's a pretty good idea. It will definitely be extra work, but if we can pull in some money off of hosting the race, then everybody wins. Getting the initial funding for everything is going to be the hard part for us. Isn't it somewhere around $15k-$20k for a race of that scale?
I never saw the numbers (I will this year, since I'm the VP of Tarmac and helping to run it), but I would think you're about 10x too high. I'd say $1-2k maybe upfront. It's in bum****nowhere, so it costs very little for the rights to use the road. We only have about 10 cops, and they're paid afterward. Motos I think are paid after, as well as officials. Upfront you just have the road costs, and stuff like flyers, race numbers (a few $100), licensing (not real expensive).

But again, I'm talking out of my ass.
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Old 10-20-09, 09:19 AM
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Probably too late to be really useful, but I'll chime in anyway:

SLO & sports in general:
I work with a bunch of people that went to SLO for engineering or Architecture. One of them graduated 2 years ago. His last year of Structural Engineering, he played intercollegiate Rugby. It's possible, there is enough time in the day to do engineering and sports @ SLO. I've never been south of Monterrey in California, so I have no idea what the area is like.

Majors & Sports:
My undergrad was done at Michigan, in Architecture. I had a friend who was a starter for their NCAA women's water polo team. She quit when she started the architecture program (junior year) because of the time commitments for architecture school (80+ hrs a week average).
I also have a MBA. I had so much free time, it wasn't funny - I had 2 TA positions, and I still was free at least 8 hours a day - not including sleeping time).

Transferring:
There was another study recently saying that those that start at community colleges are like 10x more likely not to finish a bachelor's program. That said, I transferred a lot (see my next point).

GPA/Testing:
Don't discount either. I graduated HS with a 3.2 ish (it was 13 years ago). I took the ACT my junior year (28), and the SAT my senior year (early October, got 1470/1600). In 1995, that wasn't good enough to get into Michigan, U.Washington, or Berkeley. This was back in the days before the law suit against Michigan, so if I didn't go to school 5 miles from campus but an "underrepresented county" in Michigan, I would have been accepted.
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Old 10-20-09, 09:22 AM
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One thing I forgot
Cost of Living:
Everywhere in CA is cheaper than Manhattan.
SF is on par with NYC. LA and SD are just a little cheaper. Sacramento/Davis is on par with a decent sized city in the midwest, or Baltimore - it's within 3% of the cost of living in Ann Arbor. The rest of the valley and mountains can be real cheap. Or real expensive if it's Tracy.
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Old 10-20-09, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Flatballer View Post
I never saw the numbers (I will this year, since I'm the VP of Tarmac and helping to run it), but I would think you're about 10x too high. I'd say $1-2k maybe upfront. It's in bum****nowhere, so it costs very little for the rights to use the road. We only have about 10 cops, and they're paid afterward. Motos I think are paid after, as well as officials. Upfront you just have the road costs, and stuff like flyers, race numbers (a few $100), licensing (not real expensive).

But again, I'm talking out of my ass.

I think it is probably in between these two numbers, ie above $2k and below $15k, after looking at our race budgets. I would be sad to see Boston lose a home weekend as there are so many schools there and having a local weekend is key.

I agree that if you aren't making money off of a race you're doing it wrong. Our team will forgo holding a race before we lose money on one. The key really is USCF categories though, if you can fit those races in on a crit it isn't a whole lot of extra effort, and brings in a lot of money, and the collegians enjoy getting in a 2nd race too. Granted UCB your crit shuts down a lot of traffic, so timing might be a little bit more difficult, although that crit is amazing.
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Old 10-20-09, 09:51 AM
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has anyone mentioned Univ. of Arizona?
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I can't seem to find it on the USAC website, so does anyone know who can race on a collegiate team? I'm thinking of starting my masters degree soon. Can I race even though I'm a 30+ year old grad student?
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I can't seem to find it on the USAC website, so does anyone know who can race on a collegiate team? I'm thinking of starting my masters degree soon. Can I race even though I'm a 30+ year old grad student?
Yep.

As long as you're considered full-time you can race. I've never heard of any "years of eligibility" or anything like NCAA sports have.
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I can't seem to find it on the USAC website, so does anyone know who can race on a collegiate team? I'm thinking of starting my masters degree soon. Can I race even though I'm a 30+ year old grad student?
Yes. Age does not matter, as long as you are enrolled (full-time, I think) as a student.
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Old 10-20-09, 10:25 AM
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I can't seem to find it on the USAC website, so does anyone know who can race on a collegiate team? I'm thinking of starting my masters degree soon. Can I race even though I'm a 30+ year old grad student?
There is technically a 52 year old MBA grad student on our team.

I don't know if the OP was looking to be racing A's, but business and engineering will allow you enough time to train to hang with the pro's.
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Hehe, this should be fun. I'm considering Boston University through an online program. It would be hilarious to show up to a So Cal race in a BU kit... ignoring the fact that I'll be slow because there will be almost no time to train after working full time and studying full time.
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Marian University (formerly Marian College) has a great program. It's small so you can get individualized attention and the professors work with you. Undergrad makes very little difference in today's economics. You will get the basics just about anywhere you go. Put it this way, you will spend all your days training, studying and racing. Go to a school who will work with you. I know some of the professors personally at Marian U. I didn't attend the university but I've done some work there. The cycling coach has gotten a lot out of his kids. They have the NCAA girls crit champion and she races U23 for the US National team. Indy is considered the best cost of living for the size of city in the country. If you don't want that small, IU is a great school with the Little 500 every April. My roommate raced his team to a 3rd place back in the 80's.
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Originally Posted by Flatballer View Post
I never saw the numbers (I will this year, since I'm the VP of Tarmac and helping to run it), but I would think you're about 10x too high. I'd say $1-2k maybe upfront. It's in bum****nowhere, so it costs very little for the rights to use the road. We only have about 10 cops, and they're paid afterward. Motos I think are paid after, as well as officials. Upfront you just have the road costs, and stuff like flyers, race numbers (a few $100), licensing (not real expensive).

But again, I'm talking out of my ass.
Yale's race cost $16k last year. Granted they did have to pay extra because of Easter weekend...
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Originally Posted by roy5000x2 View Post
Yale's race cost $16k last year. Granted they did have to pay extra because of Easter weekend...
But you asked about upfront. I think much of your costs come later (police, porta potties, officials, motos, etc). At that point you already have your income, so you can pay it off.

If we had to have $10k paid before we got the checks from registration, I think we'd be in trouble.
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I just took the PSAT last Saturday...it's out of 240 and there
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Originally Posted by ch3n207 View Post
If your talking to me. And i assume that your talking about Columbia University in NYC. Yes i would like to come out to ride with you guys.
yeah, but getting in might be a bit difficult (don't mind my opinion though, it's probably just nonsense in the wind )
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