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Old 11-18-09, 01:14 PM
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trainer or gym membership?

for winter, what do you think?
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Originally Posted by coasting
for winter, what do you think?
ride in the cold.

I tried a trainer last winter and my hatred for it is immeasurable.

However. If you must choose, I'd say gym membership b/c there are more chicks at gyms than in your basement.
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In my opinion, it depends on the gym facilities. If they have stationary bikes, you'd have access to both weights and indoor cycling. But, probably depends more on which you'd use more often - and only you can answer that.
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Weights really help! **** the gym, though. Just get yourself a barbell and a bench, cheaper and easier. Do lots of deep squats, helps your quads and glutes grow. Do situps on the bench, for core work.

You can also do barbell rows/chin ups/pushups/bench press.
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Apples and oranges.

Which would you be more likely to use?
How far is it to the gym?
Do you like having to get dressed and drive in order to work out?
Does the gym have hours of operation that work for you?
Have you used a trainer before?
Is there a similarity in cash outlay?

For me, it's a no-brainer: the trainer. But I don't like having to go somewhere else if I can do it at home, and I have a couple other pieces of equipment anyway.
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i hear you, bret. Why make such an effort to go do something not fun. stay home and be bored.
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Nothing will help your riding more than riding your bike. Gym time is nice but understand that if your goal is to become a faster rider this may not produce results for you
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Both. If you can swing it. After a week solid on the trainer, I'm already going crazy with the boredom. Need to mix it up and try some different cardio.

A whole winter with nothing but the trainer? I'd feel like shooting myself. Luckily, I'd have the BF gun thread(s) to advise me on what gun to use, so I'd have that going for me.
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Originally Posted by wfrogge
Nothing will help your riding more than riding your bike. Gym time is nice but understand that if your goal is to become a faster rider this may not produce results for you
I'm not sure that's so true .. Core muscles really help on the bike, but they aren't developed a lot when riding, they are more of a stabilizer muscle group. Core work (abs, lower back, glutes, hip flexors) will make you more comfortable on the bike in more varied positions, like deep in the drops. Having a strong lower back is also beneficial.

I find the glutes don't get worked that well on the bike, yet having strong glutes really helps me ride fast. Squats are excellent for this.

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https://www.bicycling.com/article/0,6...5681-1,00.html
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Get the trainer. Then, troll craigslist for a bench and some cheap weights. Also look into sledgehammer or kettlebells for a good upper body / core workout on the cheap.

Getting dressed and driving to the gym sucks, it costs a bunch of money, and sometimes the weights or machines you want are taken.. blah blah blah.
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I'd say trainer, because stationary bikes at the gym usually suck. You can watch your own TV/movies at home and save on gas. I got a VR trainer from Tacx recently, it's not nearly as boring and I can pretend to be on the Alpe... but it is quite pricey. I hope this market takes off and we get cheaper options in a few years.
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racing, yes, just riding along, no.
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Originally Posted by tbrtbx
I'm not sure that's so true .. Core muscles really help on the bike, but they aren't developed a lot when riding, they are more of a stabilizer muscle group. Core work (abs, lower back, glutes, hip flexors) will make you more comfortable on the bike in more varied positions, like deep in the drops. Having a strong lower back is also beneficial.

I find the glutes don't get worked that well on the bike, yet having strong glutes really helps me ride fast. Squats are excellent for this.

more info here!
https://www.bicycling.com/article/0,6...5681-1,00.html

Building your core will not make you a faster or better cyclist... It just wont. I am not arguing that building supporting muscle groups wont help with fatigue while on the bike but you would need to work in the gym all year long to reap any benifit.

A side bonus to working out in the gym is it breaks crazyness of riding on the trainer or in the dark all winter while giving you some cardio. Even then your time is better spend doing cardio than lifting while in the gym.
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Another benefit is, having muscle on your core/upper body increases you metabolism, meaning you can eat more than you used to and stay at the same weight.

@wfrogge I do think squats help though. I thought I had very strong legs until I did some barbell squats .. there were loads on muscles below the thigh, around the hamstrings, around the glutes, that were just hardly developed. The only well developed part of my legs were the outer quad muscles, which are always rock hard

Having well-developed leg muscles all over could also help prevent potential knee problems, the curse of many a road cyclist.
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Originally Posted by tbrtbx
Weights really help! **** the gym, though. Just get yourself a barbell and a bench, cheaper and easier. Do lots of deep squats, helps your quads and glutes grow. Do situps on the bench, for core work.

You can also do barbell rows/chin ups/pushups/bench press.
I agree that weights could help most of us. The advice to do deep squats, though is not good. Too much force behind the kneecap (think of the force vectors involved) and shearing forces on the menisci (think about having the knee too flexed at the top of the pedal stroke). Situps are also easily replaced by safer, more effective exercises. Which, do you think, is more important to cyclists? Being able to flex your spine repeatedly (rectus abdominis and iliopsoas), or being able to maintain a posture vs. opposing forces (transversus and other deep core muscles)?

Deep squats are also not specific to cycling. Those who argue that weights do not help cycling performance are partially right. Significant strength gains in an activity are only seen across the same joint angles and speeds of contraction as the exercises used to train for them. You shouldn't be cycling at the same joint angles you see in deep squats.

That doesn't mean you can't start out slow, stress the eccentric phase and using generic strength-building protocols. You should. It's like building a base. By Spring, though, you should have proceeded to more cycling-specificity to get the most gains.
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trainer. going to the gym blows.
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Understand that at many gyms they have indoor cycling rooms where you can take spin classes which can be a lot more fun than your 100000th view of Spinerval DVD 17. You can also use the bikes when there isn't a class - and can do your own workouts that way. You can get a setup pretty close to your real bike - do not confuse spin bikes with stationary bikes - they are not the same!

Then you can work your core or legs or whatever IN ADDITION to having the "trainer" (indoor cycling room).
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I don't have room for a power cage or squat rack in my house or garage so I opted for a gym membership If you don't mind being a skinny wimp, then stick with a trainer.
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Theres pro and cons to both. Gym social, more variety but it may be inconvenient and you may not train as often. Trainer convenient, but boring when alone.
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I agree about the classes at the gym. most gyms let you take free classes, so you could rock spin (my heart rate gets way higher in spin than on trainer with spinervals) and yoga for core/stretching. there's treadmills to run, weights, lots of variety which is good to avoid getting burned out.

I could do gym 6 times a week, but its tough to motivate for trainer more than 3x a week.
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[quote=tbrtbx;10050006]Another benefit is, having muscle on your core/upper body increases you metabolism, meaning you can eat more than you used to and stay at the same weight.

@wfrogge I do think squats help though. I thought I had very strong legs until I did some barbell squats .. there were loads on muscles below the thigh, around the hamstrings, around the glutes, that were just hardly developed. The only well developed part of my legs were the outer quad muscles, which are always rock hard


Having well-developed leg muscles all over could als
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Which ever one you'll actually do.
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Going to the gym puts me in the right state of mind to really get into the workout. Lifting at home sucks big time.

Besides, you can't show off at home... (lol smiley icon i can't find now)
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