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Colnago Master X Lite / GIOS Compact Pro

Old 01-01-10, 10:34 AM
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Colnago Master X Lite / GIOS Compact Pro

I'm thinking of buying a Colnago Master X Lite frame as the basis for a project.

Can anyone give me feedback on this frame... is it the classic that I read about? Maybe there's a good review somewhere that I should read?

Does anyone have a view on this in comparison to a GIOS Compact Pro, or GIOS ****io?

I'm not riding competitively... just want an aesthetically pleasing modern classic to cherish and enjoy for long and relatively sedate day-rides (c.100k) and for fine-weather countryside tootling.

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The Master X-Lite is certainly a wonderful frame - well crafted and beautiful to look at. A big part of what you pay for is the name and the lineage, which naturally drives up the price. There are many Italian bred steelies worth considering, many of which are everything the Colnago is without the added cost.

I've never owned the Gios Compact but I've always admired it. A perfect example of what I was stating in the previous paragraph.

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I was just looking at another Forum, comparing a GIOS Compact Pro and the De Rosa Primato.

The latter seems also to fit the description of a modern classic... any views appreciated.
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I like both of them, I had a Master X-Lite but I crashed it and replaced it with a modern version of a older Cinelli Supercorsa I still have. I thought the Cinelli was a better riding bike but that's subjective of course. I had a friend that had the Gios and he loved it too. You can't go wrong with either.

here's a pic of the Cinelli at their website: https://www.cinelli.it/scripts/prodot...558&ViewMode=2

Here are some reviews: https://www.roadbikereview.com/mfr/ci...9_1610crx.aspx
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I like my Master XL very much almost 20 000km on it. Haven't ridden the Gios. The crimped tubing helps makes it stiffer compared to other steel frames I've ridden and still has a nice steel ride. Nice handling bike makes it a great all day rides or road racing, not a crit bike.

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Any idea if this CIOCC frame is a good one? I read somewhere that Aelle framework is heavy, but for what I want that's not an issue.

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Any idea if this CIOCC frame is a good one? I read somewhere that Aelle framework is heavy, but for what I want that's not an issue.

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...=STRK:MEWAX:IT
This is a pre 9-10 speed frame (126mm dropouts). Not a real issue to cold set the frame (sometimes the stays are springy enough that you can just pull them open enough to take a 130mm rear hub.

It should be a consideration though.

It is a pretty frame.
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Can't go too wrong with a Master XL if you want steel, expensive though.
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I think I'm leaning towards Colnago. An older friend of mine of mine, who used to race, once said he thought of Colnago as the ultimate maker and it's always stuck in my mind.

Not too bad on price over here and if I take my time building it I'm sure I can make savings on components... I guess it has to be Campag.

Any suggestions on wheels for this type of build would be welcome. I have some Mavic Ksyriums, but they don't really qualify as 'classic' in the styling department and could be sold to fund an alternative.

(Maybe once the frame is decided I'll make a thread for advice on build... final question: should I start that thread here or on 'Classic & Vintage')

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Originally Posted by Monkey Face View Post
I think I'm leaning towards Colnago. An older friend of mine of mine, who used to race, once said he thought of Colnago as the ultimate maker and it's always stuck in my mind.

Not too bad on price over here and if I take my time building it I'm sure I can make savings on components... I guess it has to be Campag.

Any suggestions on wheels for this type of build would be welcome. I have some Mavic Ksyriums, but they don't really qualify as 'classic' in the styling department and could be sold to fund an alternative.

(Maybe once the frame is decided I'll make a thread for advice on build... final question: should I start that thread here or on 'Classic & Vintage')

Thanks all.

No it does not that's just silly. All my Italian bikes have Dura-Ace on them.

As long as your new bike provokes this type of emotion it's all good.

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I really like mine, although I'd never pay anything close to retail for one. I got a used one in great condition with a Record headset for around $200.
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Originally Posted by Monkey Face View Post

Not too bad on price over here and if I take my time building it I'm sure I can make savings on components... I guess it has to be Campag.

Any suggestions on wheels for this type of build would be welcome. I have some Mavic Ksyriums, but they don't really qualify as 'classic' in the styling department and could be sold to fund an alternative.

(Maybe once the frame is decided I'll make a thread for advice on build... final question: should I start that thread here or on 'Classic & Vintage')

Thanks all.
Choose your wheels and groupset however you want. Check out the Italian steel thread. Lots of Masters in different configuration.

https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-Italian-Steel
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.... that's just silly. All my Italian bikes have Dura-Ace on them.
If a nod in the direction of heritage and nostalgia is silly, then guilty as charged.

But it strikes me the choice, for a project of this kind, is whether to build a bike with your head or your heart... if I was using my head I most likely wouldn't be buying a steel frame in the first place.


PS. Thanks for the 'Italian steel' thread clausen
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I've owned four Colnagos including a Master X-Lite. The frame I liked the best was a 2000 Dream. I'm currently riding a C40, not as quick as the Dream but easier to ride all day long. The Master was the least inspiring of the Colnagos, just not anything special about the way it rode, so I sold it. If you are sold on owning a steel bike there are any number of custom builders who will do a great job for less money than you'd spend on the Master. I'm mulling over having Mercian build one for me, we'll see.

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As with all bikes you'll have to test ride for sizing, geometry and frame material performance. It is possible to find that you're favourite bike is either a Colnago, Gios, Pinarello, Cinelli, Tommassini, DeRosa, Bianchi...etc. Still the old Ace of Clubs is one special logo if you so desire one...gives you an ace up the sleeve per Ernesto...


Even with a stable of 9 bikes I don't have one and do yearn for a good master x light...now where did I see one on sale...
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If you are sold on owning a steel bike there are any number of custom builders who will do a great job for less money than you'd spend on the Master. I'm mulling over having Mercian build one for me, we'll see.

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Grazie mille Jay.

I know I could go to a custom frame maker, but - at risk of howls of derision - I just can't get passionate about owning a bike either made in Blighty, or with the 'wrong' name written on the side of it. I know, I know, but there it is... just being honest!

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Somewhat similar conversation going on next door in C&V! Main topic is a Colnago Master Olympic, but we are also discussing Master Extra Lights. Here is a pic of mine. These don't have to be ungodly expensive bikes. I purchased the frameset from a local racer for an exceptional price. He had used it for one season and decided it wasn't stiff enough in the bottom bracket and stays. Now, he's a big guy and can produce a lot more watts than I do nowadays. I'm not quite ready for the old folks home, as I still do group rides on Thursdays and Saturdays w/ a local team. This is a nice, responsive, predictable ride. Feels good on fast descents. I've even taken it on a 325 miler two seasons ago! Overall, I put the ride a notch under my DeRosa SLX, but that might be a fit issue more than anything else. As for Campy vs. Shimano, I'll save that for others to become concerned with. I use both on my Italian road bikes. On my bike, I built it up with mostly 9 speed DA, with a little Ultegra to keep costs down. Since this pic last spring, I've swapped out all of the Ultegra for DA. Love it. Last summer there was a Master Extra Light in the Saronni color scheme hanging at the shop. Bought that as well for a rainy day build. In fact, I've had some nice offers on this 1999, and that would buy a whole lot of parts towards the next build. Anywho, these are nice bikes. The only complaint I have on my older Master Extra Light is the paint. Look at it cross-eyed and it chips, but I guess that's what happens when a bike gets used regularly.







Haven't ridden a Gios, so I can't compare. A friend in our group has a Compact Pro and he uses it for training rides fairly often. Seems to like it fine.
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Originally Posted by 55/Rad View Post
... There are many Italian bred steelies worth considering, many of which are everything the Colnago is without the added cost...55/Rad
Hey Rad, what other frames would you put in that Master X-Lite's league at a lower cost (other than the Gios)?
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Hey Rad, what other frames would you put in that Master X-Lite's league at a lower cost (other than the Gios)?
Sorry to hijack the post alxra, but the other ones I was (still am sort of...) looking at were (are):

Cinelli Supercorsa
DeRosa Neo Primato

Neither at lower cost though. Lower cost [heavier] option was (is):

Guerciotti Record Strada - about £299.00!

But I'm clueless, so back to you Rad...
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My wife and I also have DeRosa Primatos, along with a DeRosa SLX which is my main ride. If you want any info. on DeRosas I'll try to help you out. They really are my favorite bikes by far.
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Originally Posted by Monkey Face View Post
Sorry to hijack the post alxra, but the other ones I was (still am sort of...) looking at were (are):

Cinelli Supercorsa
DeRosa Neo Primato

Neither at lower cost though. Lower cost [heavier] option was (is):

Guerciotti Record Strada - about £299.00!

But I'm clueless, so back to you Rad...
I agree, those are all in the same league (Colnago, Cinelli, De Rosa), probably with very mild, subjective differences. However, if I could find something with comparable build quality and materials at a lower cost, that would put a big smile on my face.

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gios is even more overrated than colnago (if that's even possible), so colnago it is.
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I love my Cinelli, BB flex and all, but as with most Italian painted steel, it chips big time. It doesn't look anything like this anymore...you just have to have them repainted.

My Cinelli...
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I would also add Tommasini to the list. Their technos and sintesi models are beautiful, though of course not cheap new. Surprised no one has mentioned Merckx. Though not Italian, Merckx steel frames were built in the best tradition of Italian master frame builders (i.e. De Rosa). While the factory in Miese stopped producing steel a few years ago, a few can be found NOS and of course ebay. $600 gets you a pretty good used frame, which offers a truly superior ride.
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I also have a Tommasini (see Italian steal thread) Sintesi and a Merckx TSX Century (STI thread in C&V), so I'd agree if you would add those to this list. OP, if you have questions, please ask. Rufvelo, that is a fabulous Cinelli.
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