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Armstrong's ALUMINUM handlebars

Old 01-25-10, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by kimconyc View Post
- Better road buzz dampening
In a blind test, I don't think I could tell the difference between my 3T Ergosum Pro (=aluminum) and Ergosum Team (=carbon) bars. Glad I only paid $80 for the Team bars; at their $220 MSRP they'd have been a huge waste of money...
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Old 01-25-10, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by sstorkel View Post
In a blind test, I don't think I could tell the difference between my 3T Ergosum Pro (=aluminum) and Ergosum Team (=carbon) bars. Glad I only paid $80 for the Team bars; at their $220 MSRP they'd have been a huge waste of money...
One won't be able to tell if one is riding 30 miles on the MUP. Just saying...

Serious question, which one looks better?
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Old 01-25-10, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Psimet2001 View Post
Number of Carbon bars I have personally witnessed failing/cracking completely while in use = 4

Number of Aluminum bars I have personally witnessed failing/cracking completely while in use = 0

Alu bars are also usually lighter, and much less expensive. It's not a hard choice for me.
This sums it up for me. I have tried carbon handlebars on a 50 mile ride and didn't think the road buzz dampening was worth the additional expense...for me of course.

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Old 01-25-10, 12:59 PM
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I've ridden 14 hours straight and a carbon bar would not have made it any more comfortable. Just saying.
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Old 01-25-10, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kimconyc View Post
One won't be able to tell if one is riding 30 miles on the MUP. Just saying...
Can't remember the last time I rode on a MUP. On the real-world roads where I ride, I haven't noticed any difference on rides up to 50-60 miles in length.

Serious question, which one looks better?
The carbon fiber Team bars look slightly better due to the gloss finish and higher-quality graphics. The majority of the bars are covered by tape, however, so there's not a huge impact...
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Old 01-25-10, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by kimconyc View Post
Better road buzz dampening
If you have road buzz with any bars, you're running too much tire pressure.

Originally Posted by jrennie View Post
It's not spontanious failures people worry about. It is the damage unseen(or seen) by falling over at a stop light, race, tipping your bike over at a rest stop, etc, etc, etc. The bar end get a great deal of impact and carbon just isn't a good material for it.

Also,
Ritchey WCS alloy: 228g $100
Ritchey WCS carbon: 220g $300

$25/gram is a spendy way to save weight
Yep on all counts.

Making aluminum tubes is easy. Making them light is easy. Bending them is easy. Same with seatposts -- no need for carbon there (outside of the newer odd profiles for some seat masts). For a tube, or a flattened tube, no reason to stray from aluminum. Saddle rails too (metal is better).

On frames, the magic of carbon fiber is in the joints (and some in the stays, which aren't so much tubes these days). For the main tubes, it's just a matter of keeping things in the right place under power, and aluminum can do that just fine... but going into carbon lugs is troublesome, so CF frames make a lot of sense.
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Old 01-25-10, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by joebrew View Post
Bontrager/Trek (the bike sponsor of Radio Shack) also manufacture carbon bars which are supposedly lighter and stiffer. I'm assuming that cost isn't an issue at this level of the sport - so why the alloy bars?

Those guys actually ride their bikes.
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Old 01-25-10, 01:23 PM
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Easier to finish a race with a bent aluminum bar than a destroyed carbon bar.
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Old 01-25-10, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by joebrew View Post
- so why the alloy bars?
Trek needs to save money in order to cover non-warranty repairs of failed bb's in second-hand Madone frames. Even the pros need to make sacrifices in today's tough economic times.

Duh.
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I guess it depends on the bars. I went from 6061 Flyte alloy bars to Ritchey carbons and the comfort difference was night/day. I wouldn't pay $300 for carbon bars but at < $200 they were worth it. I also don't sprint hard or beat up on my bars very much.
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Old 01-25-10, 02:49 PM
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A week or so ago I posted the link to an article about George Hincapie's training bike. Here's an article on his team bike. Note the alloy stem and bars. According to the article "...he opts for strength over weight in the cockpit". https://www.cyclingnews.com/features/...cemaster-slx01

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Old 01-25-10, 02:55 PM
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I'm building up my very first carbon dream road bike and I'm of the same mind. Metal will hold me up thanks, wheels, seat post, bar and stem.
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Old 01-25-10, 03:02 PM
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If you are going metal on a seatpost, take a good look at Thomson's. IMO the best.
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Old 01-25-10, 03:07 PM
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I think Hincapie would be a bit more leery than others relating to his bike. For example I don't know how he got on a bike with anything but a cast iron fork after his steerer broke.

Although carbon bars and stems may not offer a lot of weight savings, other carbon pieces do offer weight savings, significant ones at that. Saddle, post, rims, pedals, components. (I have to admit I skip the carbon for bar, stem, and post).

And since we aren't pros, we can ride 10 or 11 pound bikes in our races. Okay, I ride my UCI-legal 15.5 to 17+ pound bike, but there are Cat 3-4 guys who race 12-13 pound bikes all the time.

It's odd but bike manufacturers have to "de-tune" their bikes to make them UCI legal. All those super-light bikes with normal parts on them at the tradeshows are illegal for UCI races. But for USAC Cat 3s it's okay.

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Originally Posted by kimconyc View Post
- Looks cool
- Better road buzz dampening

FWIW, I use carbon bars on 1 bike and Al on 2 other bikes. I've cracked a carbon bar while riding out of the saddle and in the drops and luckily did not eat it.
not really.

Originally Posted by bigtea View Post
A week or so ago I posted the link to an article about George Hincapie's training bike. Here's an article on his team bike. Note the alloy stem and bars. According to the article "...he opts for strength over weight in the cockpit". https://www.cyclingnews.com/features/...cemaster-slx01

look, no helmet either!

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hey! level top tube. are they coming back into fashion?
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Originally Posted by coasting View Post
hey! level top tube. are they coming back into fashion?
I can only hope so.
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round tubes too. none of that, "look at what weird and wonderful tube shapes i can make" nonsense.

squoval...what a stupid word.
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Originally Posted by coasting View Post
round tubes too. none of that, "look at what weird and wonderful tube shapes i can make" nonsense.

squoval...what a stupid word.
Engineered to make your frame 2-3 times more expensive than if we'd just used round tubes, aren't you a lucky consumer?
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Originally Posted by coasting View Post
hey! level top tube. are they coming back into fashion?
It's an old photo. Note what team he's on.
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Originally Posted by simplify View Post
It's an old photo. Note what team he's on.
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A big reason not mentioned is you can't tell for certain if a CF bar is damaged in a crash but it's obvious with Al. Pro's don't want to switch bikes after a crash (and often wait) unless they have to.
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great, now you guys have me all paranoid that my carbon bars are going to snap like a twig during a ride and leave me chewing pavement...
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Originally Posted by celerystalksme View Post
great, now you guys have me all paranoid that my carbon bars are going to snap like a twig during a ride and leave me chewing pavement...
Bring ketchup...makes the pavement taste better.
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