Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Road Cycling
Reload this Page >

Anyone use a single speed for training?

Search
Notices
Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

Anyone use a single speed for training?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-26-10, 01:15 AM
  #1  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Steve90068's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 1,334

Bikes: Road - Lynskey. Mountain - Trek Fuel EX

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 16 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times in 3 Posts
Anyone use a single speed for training?

I recently acquired a single speed that will become my daily rider. I was wondering if anyone uses a single speed (or fixed gear) for training purposes? It seems like it would be good to build strength and so on, but what do I know.
Steve90068 is offline  
Old 01-26-10, 01:55 AM
  #2  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Cambridge, UK
Posts: 1,051

Bikes: Specialized Allez (2007)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I do all my winter training on a fixed gear. It builds leg strength, yes, if you have a few little hills. It also improved pedalling technique and especially leg speed if you have fixed, on your way down the hills. Makes for good endurance training too, since you never stop pedalling- four hours on a fixed seems like five on gears. Get fixed, freewheeling singlespeed has barely any of these benefits. That said, if I lived in Wales I'd probably do my winter riding on gears...
Basil Moss is offline  
Old 01-26-10, 02:09 AM
  #3  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 309
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
before i got my road bike, i rode my single speed 'cross bike with slicks with a 42x16 ratio and went on group rides for a couple of months. i get wows and compliments from my teammates. it really helped me with my spin.
bmw5nkj is offline  
Old 01-26-10, 06:23 AM
  #4  
Lost
 
AngryScientist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: nutley, nj
Posts: 4,600
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 48 Post(s)
Liked 113 Times in 45 Posts
i use a SS to commute to work a few days a week. its great training if the terrain is relatively unchanging. i wouldnt want to wreck my knees if there were a lot of hills though.
AngryScientist is offline  
Old 01-26-10, 06:30 AM
  #5  
Upgrading my engine
 
DXchulo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Alamogordo
Posts: 6,218
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 125 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
It's up for debate.

For: https://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=4474
Against: https://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=7831
DXchulo is offline  
Old 01-26-10, 06:40 AM
  #6  
Fresh Garbage
 
hairnet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 13,190

Bikes: N+1

Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 352 Post(s)
Liked 27 Times in 18 Posts
I had to ride one for a while because I busted my multi speed. I learned how to really spin when I want to go fast or downhill because I use 64 gear inches. Now that I have my road bike back, the fixie just makes riding more fun because it's just a totally different machine and I get to mix it up between fixie and roadie. The fixed gear did teach me to just muscle it out at times.

Last edited by hairnet; 01-26-10 at 06:43 AM.
hairnet is offline  
Old 01-26-10, 06:50 AM
  #7  
Senior Member
 
VA_Esquire's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Hampton, VA
Posts: 2,364
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I use a fixed gear with 48/15 gearing to train on that helps my leg strength and practice pedal stroke. Its a killer on hills, but their isnt alot of hills around here so just straight out speed is the only thing I gotta deal with.
VA_Esquire is offline  
Old 01-26-10, 06:54 AM
  #8  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Atlanta GA
Posts: 553

Bikes: Raleigh Supercourse, Peugeot Iseran, Raleigh Twenty

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by Steve90068
I recently acquired a single speed that will become my daily rider. I was wondering if anyone uses a single speed (or fixed gear) for training purposes? It seems like it would be good to build strength and so on, but what do I know.
I've recently acquired a fixed gear bike and have been using it for training, but strength isn't the main reason (Atlanta's hilly piedmont area, so there are ample opportunities to work on leg strength even with a multi-gear bike). I got it primarily to work on my spin. At one time racers would use fixed gear for the first 1,000 miles of every season, to get the pedal stroke burned into memory before they began training on the multi-gear bikes.
larryfeltonj is offline  
Old 01-26-10, 12:16 PM
  #9  
Senior Member
 
roadwarrior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Someplace trying to figure it out
Posts: 10,664

Bikes: Cannondale EVO, CAAD9, Giant cross bike.

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 67 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts
When I was overseas racing, we used to train often this way. It's a ton of fun to ride with 20 or 30 guys all riding fixies in a pack. Makes you think and focus on what's going on around you. And it's good for learning to use the whole stroke, not just the downside. When Icame back here, I got several of my team mates into this training.

I have one and I love riding it.
roadwarrior is offline  
Old 01-26-10, 01:21 PM
  #10  
Senior Member
 
i'm paramount's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Tonawanda, N.Y. 14150 " Gateway to the Erie Canal"
Posts: 120

Bikes: 2008 Fuji Obey Track Bike,Fuji SL1 RC Road Bike

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I purchased a Fuji Obey Track Bike a year ago and have ridden it 3.000+ miles. I just love the bike. great quick acceleration and just a hoot to ride. Yes as mentioned the pedal stroke will improve, your cardio will also improve.
At 68 years old i often feel like i'm much younger as i ride the bike. I have a great road bike but the SS is just way COOL !
Here-- https://www.flickr.com/photos/mynewti/4306591851/
i'm paramount is offline  
Old 01-26-10, 01:25 PM
  #11  
Senior Member
 
caloso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Sacramento, California, USA
Posts: 40,865

Bikes: Specialized Tarmac, Canyon Exceed, Specialized Transition, Ellsworth Roots, Ridley Excalibur

Mentioned: 68 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2952 Post(s)
Liked 3,106 Times in 1,417 Posts
Yes. As a matter of fact, I'm headed out for a lunchtime 2x20 set on my fixed gear. I have about 73 gear inches and I'll ride based on HR rather than speed. With a flat course, I'll be forced to spin a pretty high cadence. Good stuff.
caloso is offline  
Old 01-26-10, 01:32 PM
  #12  
Newbie
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 60
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 45 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 5 Posts
I road a single speed for many years. I does make strong leg muscles. I use to ride up South Mountain in Tempe AZ every Saturday. It was hard at first had to stop and rest several times on the way up but after about 7 months I was going all the way to the top without stopping.
Crash2Much is offline  
Old 01-26-10, 01:38 PM
  #13  
Senior Member
 
graphs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Toronto
Posts: 856
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I've only been riding fixed for the past year because they're the only bikes I've had so I wouldn't call it training per se, but I am a much stronger rider since I flipped that hub around.
graphs is offline  
Old 01-26-10, 02:28 PM
  #14  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Damascus, MD, USA
Posts: 1,294

Bikes: Neilpryde Nazare, Storck Scenero G3, Colnago Extreme Power, CAAD 10, Bowman Palace R, Strong Custom Foco Steel, BMC SLR01, BMC ALR01

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 96 Post(s)
Liked 114 Times in 53 Posts
Yep. I ride it for fun and keep it clamped on my trainer for interval training indoors when the weather is particularly inhospitable.
zatopek is offline  
Old 01-26-10, 03:10 PM
  #15  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Boston
Posts: 4,556
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
I use a fixed gear, somewhat, for training. It's also fun and a different experience.

I find that I've got to work harder (sometimes a lot harder). There's no downshifting and going tempo up a steep hill. There's sit and stand. And when you come back down, yea, you get to work again to keep it under control.
crhilton is offline  
Old 01-26-10, 03:12 PM
  #16  
Senior Member
 
graphs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Toronto
Posts: 856
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by zatopek
Yep. I ride it for fun and keep it clamped on my trainer for interval training indoors when the weather is particularly inhospitable.
That is where my nice weather/track one is right now!
graphs is offline  
Old 01-26-10, 03:19 PM
  #17  
gmt
 
Grumpy McTrumpy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Binghamton, NY
Posts: 12,509
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 45 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
I do singlespeed cross. it's pretty tough for me to ride that bike on roads around here though with the sheer abundance of steep hills. It's not uncommon for me to climb at cadences below 40. Also pretty easy to get it revved up to 160 or more on the descents.

With that said, I still spend the vast majority of training time on the geared bike, even during cross season.
Grumpy McTrumpy is offline  
Old 01-26-10, 03:27 PM
  #18  
Artificial Member
 
ahsposo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Cyberspace
Posts: 7,158

Bikes: Retrospec Judd, Dahon Boardwalk, Specialized Langster

Mentioned: 31 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6764 Post(s)
Liked 5,476 Times in 3,222 Posts
When I moved to the GA coast I bought a SS because it's very flat and I figured it would be low maintenance. I came to really like it for reasons mentioned above. Really great to work on your spin and going into a headwind it can work your strength. Wore out my old geared bike and recently bought a new one...so the SS comes out when it's wet and I don't wanna get my fancy new one dirty (that won't last).
ahsposo is offline  
Old 01-26-10, 07:55 PM
  #19  
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: TX
Posts: 357
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I don't get it. Your body is only maximally efficient at one cadence. So a single speed or fixie is only efficient at one speed.

How does a fixie help your pedalling? You're connected directly to the rear wheel which uses the momentum of the bike to force your feet around the crank spindle, rather than the other way round.

You can blow out your knees mashing up a hill or into the wind on a single speed.

Using a fixie for training is like using a single shot rifle on the range and then switching to an AR-15 when it's for real.

Fixieism is an urban fad. Like all fads, it'll die a well-deserved death.

Make mine ten speed Ultegra.
Uni-Vibe is offline  
Old 01-26-10, 08:16 PM
  #20  
suffering...
 
geist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: EAST VILLAGE, NYC
Posts: 1,049

Bikes: 2009 Cannondale CAPO, 2004 Look 468SL, CAAD 8, IRO MV, IRO bfssfg, 80's Panasonic x2

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
I commute on a fixed 5 days a week. I've gotta keep it locked up outside and the fixed is less susceptible to theft. You may need to find the gearing that best suits you. Get a flip-flop hub so you can run single speed too. Fortunately, cogs and chainrings for these bikes are relatively cheap. Also, it definitely helps with pedal stroke (not peddling "in squares").
geist is offline  
Old 01-26-10, 08:36 PM
  #21  
pan y agua
 
merlinextraligh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Jacksonville
Posts: 31,302

Bikes: Willier Zero 7; Merlin Extralight; Calfee Dragonfly tandem, Calfee Adventure tandem; Cervelo P2; Motebecane Ti Fly 29er; Motebecanne Phantom Cross; Schwinn Paramount Track bike

Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1447 Post(s)
Liked 724 Times in 371 Posts
Originally Posted by Uni-Vibe
I don't get it. Your body is only maximally efficient at one cadence. So a single speed or fixie is only efficient at one speed.

How does a fixie help your pedalling? You're connected directly to the rear wheel which uses the momentum of the bike to force your feet around the crank spindle, rather than the other way round.

You can blow out your knees mashing up a hill or into the wind on a single speed.

.

Using a fixie for training is like using a single shot rifle on the range and then switching to an AR-15 when it's for real.

Fixieism is an urban fad. Like all fads, it'll die a well-deserved death.

Make mine ten speed Ultegra.
I think there is some degree of truth in your post.

However, the "Fixeism is an Urban fad" misses the mark with regard to the training discussion. Winter base training on fixed gear bikes has a time honored european pro tradition that greatly predates the hipster's discovery of fixed geared bikes
__________________
You could fall off a cliff and die.
You could get lost and die.
You could hit a tree and die.
OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.
merlinextraligh is offline  
Old 01-26-10, 10:53 PM
  #22  
Senior Member
 
DieselDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Beaufort, South Carolina, USA and surrounding islands.
Posts: 8,521

Bikes: Cannondale R500, Motobecane Messenger

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
I have started using my fixed gear by accident somewhat. I had been using my Cannondale, but the noise was almost too much with the way my house was constructed. I flipped the hub around and started pedaling and found some kind of Zen like training zone, but the steel frame bike was much quieter.
DieselDan is offline  
Old 01-26-10, 11:22 PM
  #23  
Fresh Garbage
 
hairnet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 13,190

Bikes: N+1

Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 352 Post(s)
Liked 27 Times in 18 Posts
Originally Posted by Uni-Vibe
I don't get it. Your body is only maximally efficient at one cadence. So a single speed or fixie is only efficient at one speed.

How does a fixie help your pedalling? You're connected directly to the rear wheel which uses the momentum of the bike to force your feet around the crank spindle, rather than the other way round.

You can blow out your knees mashing up a hill or into the wind on a single speed.

Using a fixie for training is like using a single shot rifle on the range and then switching to an AR-15 when it's for real.

Fixieism is an urban fad. Like all fads, it'll die a well-deserved death.

Make mine ten speed Ultegra.
Yes, the pedals move on their own but they don't force your feet around. If you can't keep up with the pedals then you're ****ed.

Why shoot it down like that anyway? It's a different kind of riding. If you don't like it, that's fine, but others love it.
hairnet is offline  
Old 01-26-10, 11:42 PM
  #24  
Senior Member
 
caloso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Sacramento, California, USA
Posts: 40,865

Bikes: Specialized Tarmac, Canyon Exceed, Specialized Transition, Ellsworth Roots, Ridley Excalibur

Mentioned: 68 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2952 Post(s)
Liked 3,106 Times in 1,417 Posts
Originally Posted by Uni-Vibe
I don't get it. Your body is only maximally efficient at one cadence. So a single speed or fixie is only efficient at one speed.

How does a fixie help your pedalling? You're connected directly to the rear wheel which uses the momentum of the bike to force your feet around the crank spindle, rather than the other way round.

You can blow out your knees mashing up a hill or into the wind on a single speed.

Using a fixie for training is like using a single shot rifle on the range and then switching to an AR-15 when it's for real.

Fixieism is an urban fad. Like all fads, it'll die a well-deserved death.

Make mine ten speed Ultegra.
Partially correct. Before I started riding a fixed gear, I was only efficient at one cadence. Since riding fixed, I've widened my power band. The counterintuitive genius of fixed gear training is that you are almost always in the "wrong" gear. Going uphill or into a headwind, you are in too high a gear so you are forced to push, thus building power. Going downhill or with a tailwind, you are in too low a gear so you are forced to spin, thus building suppleness. When there's a surge in a race or a hammerfest, I used to have to drop a cog and then get out of the seat to sprint. Now I can stay seated, spin up a high cadence, and then drop a cog.

So the fixed gear makes the engine more efficient.
caloso is offline  
Old 01-27-10, 11:05 AM
  #25  
Senior Member
 
roadwarrior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Someplace trying to figure it out
Posts: 10,664

Bikes: Cannondale EVO, CAAD9, Giant cross bike.

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 67 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts
Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
I think there is some degree of truth in your post.

However, the "Fixeism is an Urban fad" misses the mark with regard to the training discussion. Winter base training on fixed gear bikes has a time honored european pro tradition that greatly predates the hipster's discovery of fixed geared bikes
And trust me, it works. Been there, done that.
roadwarrior is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.