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Originally Posted by ls01
(Post 10330395)
No I believe the word you mentioned has no other meaning than the deragatory one it is known for, and is probably the exception to the rule. I absolutely despise that word for the division it has caused and cant really get behind its use by the group that continues to use it today. The meaning of words changes all the time in our language. While it (gay) did start out with a hateful narrow minded use it has morphed into something else entirely. I still avoid it for the most part.
Originally Posted by ls01
(Post 10330404)
Yes , but those terms were normalised before we understood about the feelings of others
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Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy
(Post 10330416)
The term is only in use because of the general lack of imagination and illiteracy of those who have made it popular and their refusal to use a term like cockamamie or facocta instead.
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So let me see if I got this right . . . is the word *****exual preferable today than gay?
If not, what is? |
Originally Posted by BillyD
(Post 10330426)
So let me see if I got this right . . . is the word *****exual preferable today than gay?
If not, what is? |
I think that having a triple is fine if you ride terrain that needs it. Sometimes a double can get you almost the same gearing as a triple depending on the setup.
Better to have the gearing you need for the slope you are on than trying to "be a man" and mash it up the hills with the wrong gearing - that's just dumb and a long term loss IMHO when your knees eventually go to hell - so much for cycling in your older years... Same goes for cassettes... I have some widely spaced ones for riding mountains but also some closer spaced road cassettes for riding where I know there won't be too many hills. |
Originally Posted by pcrx
(Post 10330490)
Better to have the gearing you need for the slope you are on than trying to "be a man" and mash it up the hills with the wrong gearing - that's just dumb and a long term loss IMHO when your knees eventually go to hell - so much for cycling in your older years...
Originally Posted by pcrx
(Post 10330490)
Same goes for cassettes... I have some widely spaced ones for riding mountains but also some closer spaced road cassettes for riding where I know there won't be too many hills.
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Originally Posted by urbanknight
(Post 10330448)
Gay is perfectly acceptable to describe a *****exual person, but not acceptable in expressing dislike or disapproval.
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Originally Posted by BillyD
(Post 10330690)
Oh, good. One never knows when one might have missed a memo.
fwiw, LGBT is also an outdated term. Apparently, they keep updating it to include people who don't fit into those 4. It apparently became LGBTQ (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and questioning) and is now even longer, but I can't keep up with the terms either. |
Personally I never tried a fa*g, but I have had a lager over the years.
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Originally Posted by BillyD
(Post 10330690)
Oh, good. One never knows when one might have missed a memo.
Originally Posted by urbanknight
(Post 10330716)
lol Reminds me of a cartoon I saw, I think it was The Goodes. They are arguing over the proper term for a black/African American/person of color, and someone says they heard that they have a big convention every year to decide.
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EDIT: Should have gotten through the whole thread before making an irrelevant post. Just to fit in, I will add the following... gear, cog, cadence, gay, feminine, latino. So there. |
Originally Posted by BillyD
(Post 10330816)
I always remember the time I was talking with a Puerto Rican friend of mine , and I kept referring to "Hispanics" . . . she had to correct me and tell me the proper term was "Latino". I apologized profusely but then I added, "Well nobody told ME"! :lol:
btw isn't it Latino for males and Latina for females? |
As long as I don't ride in our river valley a triple really isn't required here unless we factor in winds and we calculated that on a good day's ride we could easily get in 6000 feet of climbing just by climbing an and out on our regular route. Most of the grades range from 12 to 18% with the steepest grade in the city topping out at 22 %.
I've climbed all of these on many bikes that have been fitted with doubles, triples, 1 by 8's, ss, and fixed and if you want to do it faster and reduce some stress on one's aging body the triple is the kindest way to go. |
Originally Posted by ls01
(Post 10330266)
Dude seriously are you just skimming or what. I never said a triple could be used in racing. I understand that you cant be dragging all that extra weight around with up and down every hill. But what the op has been suffering from is the perception that having a triple on your bike automaticly makes him weak, and should he care enough to go and swap allthat out. I did not meen to say that the perception of weekness comes from cycle racing type people like yourself directly. The perception comes from the non racing wanna be types who make this kind of judgement basd on a self delusion that they are as good as the folks that actually do race. Therfore thier equipment should also reflect what the racing scene dictates. As was posted earlier its a personal choice. As far as flexability in use for the non profesional a triple makes things way easier to manage. no changing cassettes, no giving up any higher end gears , no compromised gear spread for a few grams of extra weight. He is a beginer, in a hilly area, with a triple currently on his bike. Should he go spend hundreds of dollars he doesnt have to upgrade an 8 speed setup to a double just because someone might think he is weak?
In your earlier reply to the op you said many of the same things that I told him, to the point that I was wondering weather you read what was being said by others or not. While I dont directly disagree with any of what you said I find it to be more of hair splitting and issues of context than who is right or who is wrong. If you go back and read what I told the op you will find that I gave him advice based on the needs of a beginer, non pro, recreational, cyclist. Of course for casual rec riders a triple can make sense... I have no problem with someone wanting a triple if they so desire, but I do object when people try to pass them off as necessarily better than a double, standard or cmpact. |
Originally Posted by CbadRider
(Post 10328582)
I ride a triple and I'm a chick. I do long distance riding and I won't give it up. After 8+ hours in the saddle, I'm looking for all of the easy gears I can get if I'm on a hilly course.
From what I have seen, more long distance riders (less concerned with weight and speed) have triples. |
Originally Posted by island rider
(Post 10330886)
Doh! It's not often that a photo can realy convey the grade, but this one does it. It must be the perspective with the houses on the side and in the back.
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11-12% is for chicks (with apologies to all the awesome women cyclists out there, whatever drivetrains they use).
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Originally Posted by urbanknight
(Post 10330893)
Neither term makes sense to me. I saw a show recently where a person was asked her ethnicity and she replied "Latin". I assume she was trying to anglesize the term.
btw isn't it Latino for males and Latina for females? |
Originally Posted by urbanknight
(Post 10330448)
Gay is perfectly acceptable to describe a *****exual person, but not acceptable in expressing dislike or disapproval.
That's sort of the central part to the discussion, here. The word "gay" didn't morph - it was that the feelings we as a culture feel toward gay people was bundled into the word and applied to other things we feel similar distate for. So when you use the word negatively, you participate in that tradition of hate, no matter the posturing you do. The point is not to cull the word gay out of your vocab, its to cut its negative use. "He's gay" meaning "he's a *****exual" is fine, right - but "he's gay" meaning "he's an a*s" is not. Anywhoo. That's a lot. In the end, get the triple if you need it, don't if you don't. Right? Consensus? |
Originally Posted by FallsApart
(Post 10331597)
Right? Consensus? |
Yeah, I'll go you one better, Latino, Latina, that would make the base Latin, then what should they be speaking?
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Originally Posted by ls01
(Post 10331616)
Yeah, I'll go you one better, Latino, Latina, that would make the base Latin, then what should they be speaking?
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Originally Posted by urbanknight
(Post 10330448)
Gay is perfectly acceptable to describe a *****exual person, but not acceptable in expressing dislike or disapproval.
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Originally Posted by Grumpy McTrumpy
(Post 10329670)
thats what we neeeded hot, blond, chicks! |
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