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2million 02-20-10 02:08 PM

175 crank
 
i'm 5 10 and am thinking about getting a 175 crank, does anyone my height run this length? what are the pros and cons of it?

JonnyV 02-20-10 02:22 PM

Yup, I run 175. Might sound crazy but it feels more comfortable than 172.5.

2million 02-20-10 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by JonnyV (Post 10428625)
Yup, I run 175. Might sound crazy but it feels more comfortable than 172.5.

how tall are you?

nvrlnd7 02-20-10 11:33 PM

I just started running 175,and i love it.I'm 5,9 gave my seat a small adjust up,and it works for me.

rydaddy 02-21-10 02:11 AM


Originally Posted by 2million (Post 10428593)
i'm 5 10 and am thinking about getting a 175 crank, does anyone my height run this length? what are the pros and cons of it?

You might as well flip a coin.

jdon 02-21-10 07:42 AM

Better questions are what are you riding now and what are you hoping to acheive?

knobster 02-21-10 08:18 AM

I'm 5'10" as well and run only 172.5. I've had 175 and while it may just be in my head, I felt that I had a harder time spinning up hills. Seemed to be better on flats though.

Big_Red 02-21-10 09:22 AM

You might want to look at this link: http://www.nettally.com/palmk/crankset.html. This is one of the areas of great debate. There is another thread right now with a guy wanting to go shorter with crank length. I tend to think as long as you can keep your cadence up with the longer crank go for it as the leverage will help on the steep grades. Remember that I also think you need to have your cadence high as well, and the the long length can hurt you here.

10 Wheels 02-21-10 09:26 AM

6 ft love the 175 and the big ring

rollin 02-21-10 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by nvrlnd7 (Post 10430358)
I just started running 175,and i love it.I'm 5,9 gave my seat a small adjust up,and it works for me.

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fmcooper 02-21-10 10:50 AM

I have 175's on my Madone and 172.5's on my Ti... I think you'd really need to go two steps in either direction to notice a difference.

RacerOne 02-21-10 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by rollin (Post 10431297)
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+1, I would think the seat wasn't high enough to begin with then.

jdon 02-21-10 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by nvrlnd7 (Post 10430358)
I just started running 175,and i love it.I'm 5,9 gave my seat a small adjust up,and it works for me.

That is counterintutive. Being that your seat height is set at the bottom of the stroke, lowering the pedal by increasing arm length should result in lowering the saddle height.

jdon 02-21-10 11:00 AM

I am 5'10" with a 30" inseam and ride 175 on my road bike and 172.5 on the cross bike. What I just stated is irrelevant to you though as so much goes into finding the right crank arm length for you. Most of it personal preference.

crhilton 02-21-10 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by 2million (Post 10428593)
i'm 5 10 and am thinking about getting a 175 crank, does anyone my height run this length? what are the pros and cons of it?

I'm 5'9" and 175 drives me nuts. I like 170.

carpediemracing 02-21-10 11:30 AM

+1 personal preference.

Spinning, low gears, I'd go shorter cranks. This for trackies, flat landers, riders who wonder why anyone ever made a 13T, forget about a 12 or an 11.

Power, higher gears, short power hills (90% of hills under a mile) I'd try longer ones.

When making a change (or trying a change) I'd go with a 5 mm change. 2.5 mm is not a big change, and if you want to really gain the benefits of a different crank length, really go for it. No half-hearted changes.

For me I dropped my saddle 5 mm when I went 170 -> 175. I initially tried a 2.5 mm drop and experienced knee pain within minutes (I have fragile knees). The full 5 mm and no problems at all. I had to be careful not to push too big a gear - with long cranks you feel like superman. I'd big ring a lot of hills that I'd normally small ring. It's the power hills, normally taken at 18-22 mph, which really get affected by the long cranks. I find I can roll a significantly larger gear on those little rises.

Finally I'd give it 20-30 rides before making a judgment if you go long. Fine, I judged my long crank preference in one ride (non-sprint speed on mountain bike with 2" knobbies, suspension fork, etc with 175s was higher than sprint speed on road bike with 170s), confirming it when I put 175s on the road bike (sprint speed went +10 mph on same stretch of road, about a month between rides, this when I was extremely heavy and extremely unfit).

I find longer cranks get some getting used to because you pedal so much slower. Your feet travel at about the same speed, but you're moving them in bigger circles. Math people, pipe up. Since I move to longer cranks after the season ends, or I keep them on most of the time during the season, I am more at home with long cranks. I haven't really figured out a time-pressed minimum adaptation time for longer cranks.

I think this adaptation time is critical. I put off trying longer cranks for two years because I had a very narrow window in which to switch cranks (Oct-Nov, to test and adapt before March, or, if it failed, to return to the shorter cranks in Jan or so). However I'm really glad I made the move to longer cranks.

Going to shorter cranks is much easier, but you lose the fluidity of weeks/months/years of riding the shorter crank. I find it takes 1-2 weeks to get 99% of my short crank game back. I've never gotten back to my 115-120 rpm averages though, it was always more like 90-95. I found myself speed limited on the track when I moved to the 170s on the track bike on Wednesdays. On Sun/Mon/Tue I did hard rides on the 175mm equipped road bike (race, hard group ride, race), and on Wed, on 170s, I couldn't spin well. I finally decided to go to 170s on the road in order to make my track pedaling more fluid. I won a few fast races (Keirin) right away.

Then I crashed and couldn't ride for a while, but that has nothing to do with crank lengths :)

cdr

tadawdy 02-21-10 12:03 PM

A point of consideration is that if you increase crank length, and drop your saddle to keep your knee angle at extension the same, you will end up with a smaller knee angle at the top. This adds shearing forces to the knee, and can add to the dead spot at the top of the stroke.

Personally, I am 6'1" and anything over 172.5 just kinda bugs me. But then, I am a higher-cadence guy.

Urthwhyte 02-21-10 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by carpediemracing (Post 10431519)
I find longer cranks get some getting used to because you pedal so much slower. Your feet travel at about the same speed, but you're moving them in bigger circles. Math people, pipe up. cdr

This one is actually fairly simple to do, at least from a perspective of distance traveled per revolution, as it's simply two times the radius (the crank length) times pi.



Below is a Python script to calculate the total distance and percent difference from a standard 170mm crank:
Code:

from __future__ import division #3.0 users get out
from math import pi

cranks = input("Cranklength: ")

print "Distance traveled per revolution is %.2f mm" % (2*pi*cranks)
print "This is a %.2f%% difference from a standard 170mm crank" % ((cranks/170)*100)


nvrlnd7 02-21-10 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by rollin (Post 10431297)
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No my adjustments were fine for the 170 crank,but if you add length to the crank arm,it only makes sense to adjust the seat. I put these on to have more torque in climbing,but i've notice a gain in the flat speed also.

I also changed the bottom bracket from a 113,to 107 square taper english.

nvrlnd7 02-21-10 03:27 PM

"A point of consideration is that if you increase crank length, and drop your saddle to keep your knee angle at extension the same, you will end up with a smaller knee angle at the top. This adds shearing forces to the knee, and can add to the dead spot at the top of the stroke."





And this is why i raised my seat after adding a longer crank arm.5mm to the arm ,1/8 inch to the seat

coasting 02-21-10 03:36 PM

i'm 5 10 and i'm thnking 170 feels a bit long. maybe i should just work on my high cadence spinning more. i bounce about when i try to spin really fast.

Voodoo76 02-21-10 04:12 PM

Keep in mind we are talking about a very small difference. For CDR's distance traveled it's 1.5% change. So your foot speed is equal at 95 rpm on a 175 and 96 rpm on a 172.5. I've run everything from 165 on the Track to 175, and while you can feel the difference it's very subtle. I really think within the "normal" range for road cranks it's nothing more than personal preference, with a dash of placebo effect and a pinch of what you are used to.

rollin 02-22-10 01:19 AM


Originally Posted by nvrlnd7 (Post 10432212)
"A point of consideration is that if you increase crank length, and drop your saddle to keep your knee angle at extension the same, you will end up with a smaller knee angle at the top. This adds shearing forces to the knee, and can add to the dead spot at the top of the stroke.

I get the logic on the smaller knee angle at the top but I still think lowering the saddle would be the logical way to go if you lengthenthe crank.

I guess it's working for you so what's logic got to do with it.

paste_me 02-22-10 01:55 AM


Originally Posted by Voodoo76 (Post 10432383)
Keep in mind we are talking about a very small difference. For CDR's distance traveled it's 1.5% change. So your foot speed is equal at 95 rpm on a 175 and 96 rpm on a 172.5. I've run everything from 165 on the Track to 175, and while you can feel the difference it's very subtle. I really think within the "normal" range for road cranks it's nothing more than personal preference, with a dash of placebo effect and a pinch of what you are used to.

is this true? wow, thats a small difference imo...

CCrew 02-22-10 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by coasting (Post 10432247)
i bounce about when i try to spin really fast.


That's bad saddle height or too low a gear.


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