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Old 03-10-10, 09:01 AM
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Muscle gain killing avg. speed?

Let me start out by saying that I am 6'3.

Last year at this time I weighed 230 but now I weigh 240 after lifting over the winter all while doing about 4-5 days a week of cardio.

I went out on my first ride on Sunday on a short 15 mile ride and my avg. speed had dropped almost one mile per hour since last year for that same ride!

The day I rode it was in the upper 30's so I don't know if the cold weather was a factor also but I did not expect such a sharp drop in speed.
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Check your tire pressure and ride it again.
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I had just had it serviced at my local bike shop the day before I rode.
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It's your first ride of the season! Don't sweat it guy.
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You need to pump up your tires before each and every ride.

Average speed doesn't really mean much anyway.

You need to consider the wind direction and speed.
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Originally Posted by 10 Wheels View Post
You need to pump up your tires before each and every ride.

Average speed doesn't really mean much anyway.

You need to consider the wind direction and speed.
There wasn't much wind and I usually air the back to 120 psi and the front around 110psi.

I also didn't know if the cold air on my lungs maybe had something to do with it.
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It's your first ride of the season! Don't sweat it guy.
Compared to my first ride of the season last year, it was a little disconcerting
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What gear you were in and rpm is also something that changes.

What you ate for breakfast needs to be considered.

I am not worth much on the bike without 3 cups of coffee.

Takes me 6 miles to warm up.
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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey View Post
Let me start out by saying that I am 6'3.

Last year at this time I weighed 230 but now I weigh 240 after lifting over the winter all while doing about 4-5 days a week of cardio.

I went out on my first ride on Sunday on a short 15 mile ride and my avg. speed had dropped almost one mile per hour since last year for that same ride!

The day I rode it was in the upper 30's so I don't know if the cold weather was a factor also but I did not expect such a sharp drop in speed.
a perfect illustration as to why average speed is one of the most useless statistics there are.
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You just used different muscles than you have for the last few months. Expect a little drop, and yes, getting heavier will slow you down.
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Originally Posted by botto View Post
a perfect illustration as to why average speed is one of the most useless statistics there are.

It was the exact same ride from the year before except about 20 degrees colder.
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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey View Post
It was the exact same ride from the year before except about 20 degrees colder.
Were you dressed the same as last year?
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Originally Posted by RacerOne View Post
yes, getting heavier will slow you down.
that's what I was looking for.

I didn't know if the increase in muscle would compensate for the weight gain.
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Originally Posted by 10 Wheels View Post
Soyou had on more colthes.
Yes, but I wouldn't expect it to lead to just over a 1mph difference in avg. speed.
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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey View Post
It was the exact same ride from the year before except about 20 degrees colder.
so what?

the weather was colder. the wind was different. your condition is different.

i repeat: average speed is one of the most useless statistics there are.
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1 mph difference is nothing. It may have something to do with your increased weight. But it may not. Have you been mixing in a healthy dose of cardio with your lifting routine? Temperature makes a big difference too. So does what you ate, your clothing choice, mental state, and any number of other things. My average speed can vary by 1 or more MPH from week to week; but when looked at by itself, average speed means nil.
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Yes, Jive Turkey, you indeed sir are HUGE! Your body mass and superior strength our beyond my comprehension.
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i repeat: average speed is one of the most useless statistics there are.
How about this, I finished the exact same ride in a slower time than the year before. I not one time the year before finished the ride in such a slow time.
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Have you been mixing in a healthy dose of cardio with your lifting routine? Temperature makes a big difference too.
4-5 days of cardio on the stationary bike a week. Usually at around 85 rpm's or higher for 45 minutes.
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This year I am 1mph faster than last year. My 1 rep max went from 75 to 65. Does this mean I'm getting to small to lift?
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How about this, I finished the exact same ride in a slower time than the year before. I not one time the year before finished the ride in such a slow time.
Yes that would indeed mean that you were traveling at a slower MPH. As you already stated. Which, again, means nothing considering the time frame between rides and the number of possible variables.
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Riding by yourself, 10 lbs, or 4% weight gain will make a negligible difference. It will be so small as to be invisible against the background noise of other variables like wind, your mood, the temperature, the day of the week etc. Weight affects acceleration and climbing speed, it has barely any impact on average speed.
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How about this, I finished the exact same ride in a slower time than the year before. I not one time the year before finished the ride in such a slow time.
It doesn't matter. The road has likely worn and is more rough. Your arm position could have been a little different. You could be fatter and slower. The magnet on your wheel could be a few mm further up the spoke. Who knows? There are too many variables to rely on average speed as a metric to gauge performance and fitness. Since it is such a poor metric, to get even a little knowledge from it requires a fairly large sample size...which would be more than one ride.

Go ride. Quit thinking so much.
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How about this, I finished the exact same ride in a slower time than the year before. I not one time the year before finished the ride in such a slow time.
how about you accept the fact that newbs and dilettantes give far too much credence to useless statistics, such as average speed.

if that's not enough, i'll paraphrase greg lemond: average speed makes average riders.
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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey View Post
that's what I was looking for.

I didn't know if the increase in muscle would compensate for the weight gain.
i am not sure why, but you seem to want this to be the answer rather than accepting that there are MANY other factors that will likely prove more significant to the change in speed. i will list them in approximate order of significance:

1. lack of training - if this is your first ride of the year, it is going to be really slow. i don't care if your first ride is in july in perfect conditions, the time of year that it occurs is meaningless. what does matter is the amount of training. you seem to have done just basic cardio as opposed to cycling. if you had done cycling previous to your ride last year, there is going to be a difference in fitness REGARDLESS of muscle gain.

2. improper preperation - wether it be warm up, lack of food, lack of recovery, improper tire pressure or whatever, these basic requirements can destroy just a basic training, and are essential elements for a meaningful test day. if you didn't have the proper or at least the same preperation as last year, the muscle gain doesn't matter.

3. weather - a 30 degree difference is huge, especially when it is between a mild temperature and a subfreezing temperature. the cold is likely not what you have been training for - therefore your body is not efficient at performing in those conditions. furthermore, the increased air density alone could make up a pretty big difference in speed despite having similar power outputs. i did the math on it some time ago, but recall that the speed could vary about .5 mph with just air temperature differences.

4. clothing and positioning - if you were in a different position from last time or you were wearing clothing that is baggier due to the cold, you are going to be increasing your cda. that will require you to put out more watts to go the same speed.

5a. muscle gain (volume) - if you have gained muscle, the biggest thing slowing you down is not your weight, but your volume. a larger volume typically has a larger surface area and a larger cda. this will require more watts to push through the air at the same speed.

5b. muscle gain (weight) - if you have gained muscle, the weight will make you slower, but only just slightly. assuming you are on a flat course, the extra weight only factors into rolling resistance. the more rr, the more watts. however, the amount of weight that you seem to have added will not require much more than a few watts to remain at the same speed (certainly not even close to 1 mph).
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